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McCain/Palin

In 1964, Barry Goldwater struggled to find a politician to accept a spot on his ticket. He eventually found a running mate in an obscure New York congressman named William Miller. In response, confused Goldwaterites rhapsodied: "Here's a riddle/It's a thriller/Who the hell is William Miller?" No doubt political observers are asking the same question about Sarah Palin today. What I do know about John McCain's choice for a running mate, I like. From a strictly conservative perspective, she is the best of the candidates discussed. Her story is compelling, particularly the fact that when pre-natal screening revealed her fifth child as suffering from Down's syndrome, she balked at the idea of killing her baby in the womb. Her response to seeing her disabled son? "I see perfection." Her oldest son goes to Iraq in a few weeks. She has a history of challenging Republicans in primaries and on ethics. From a political perspective, Palin provides balance on age and sex. Hillary voters still smarting from the Obama defeat and shoddy treatment now have more of a reason to vote for McCain. If McCain wanted to separate himself from the Bush administration, he could not have selected an outsider further outside of Washington, both literally and figuratively, than Palin.

posted at 10:13 AM
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I really like the fact that she challenges other candidates on Conservative ideals. Not sure how that would work with McNasty, especially as the 'Maverick' seems to be set in his ways, but at least she could philosophically balance the ticket. Maybe.

NRA member; hunter; staunch pro-lifer, breasts. What's not to like?

But she was a mayor and now governor of lightly populated venues in Alaska and experience might come up as an issue.

I'm assuming that greater minds than mine have done the necessary research on this and she came up with a star next to her name.

Here's hoping that, for people who can't stand McAmnesty, she's a draw.

Posted by: asdf on August 29, 2008 11:05 AM

If John McCain is stupid enought to select a person,Ms Palin who is unknown and unheard of, I cannot and will not vote for him. He sure has been ill advised.

Posted by: AL Sheider on August 29, 2008 11:19 AM

A: Energy: Sarah Palin is right on the energy issues. When you are the governor of Alaska, that's a big deal. She is way ahead of Obama, Biden and in fact McCain on this issue. She also wants to take McCain to ANWR and show him how ugly the area is that would be set aside for drilling. That's a bold stance.

B: Hillary: At the risk of being condescending to women voters, you have to think that the disaffected Hillary Clinton vote would be very interested in the pick of Palin. At least some of the Hillary vote is the "sisterhood of the travelling pant-suit" mindset, and this is a group that will focus on the gender of the candidate.

C: Can't hit the girl: Joe Biden's debate style could be described as offensive under any circumstances, but he would be thrown off stride by having to go head to head with Palin. Even Hillary Clinton, in no way as "girlish" as Palin is, gained traction on this very issue with her debates in New York while running for Senate.

D: Andrea Mitchell: The prospect of McCain's naming of Palin was extremely upsetting to this worn-out NBC liberal. That's a good thing. When Republicans start to make a smart move, it is always upsetting to folks like Mitchell. Mitchell tried to make the case that naming Palin brings the ethical problems of Alaskan politics into the fray and thus a bad move for McCain. Uh Andrea, Palin was elected precisely because she is not part of that. She is not Ted Stevens or Frank Murkowski. That's the point.

E: Conservative Base: Palin will thrill the base. She is a conservative reformer. She is pro-life and with five kids, has cred on this issue. She is pro energy production. She is not a big government type. She is the one pick who can excite the base with no collateral damage to other potential voters.

F: Central Casting: Quite frankly, Palin is very attractive. A liberal pundit a few weeks ago even referred to her as "naughty school teacher hot." It was meant as a compliment. Few women politicians in the Democrat Party have ever been accused of that by the way. But in addition to that, she is a hunter, likes to fish and has a bit of the tough outdoorsy Alaskan independence to her. For crying out loud, shows about Alaska are all the rage now on cable.

G: Life issue: Palin recently had her fifth child, a Downs Syndrome baby. She chose to have the baby anyway. Here we have a woman with a fantastic career, four healthy children already delivered and every reason in the world to not have this fifth. Unless, that is, you really really believe in life in the womb and are willing to live that way. This makes her maybe the most profoundly capable pro-life advocate in the GOP today. This is in very stark contrast to where Obama and Biden are on this issue and will mutliply the cold calculation of the Obama stance on this issue.

Posted by: Chris Matthews on August 29, 2008 11:51 AM

H: Foreign policy experience= 0

I: # of terms in executive office= 1

J: Qualifications to be president when McChange dies= 0

K: Pairs of shoes= 24

Posted by: angrymob on August 29, 2008 12:32 PM

"She also wants to take McCain to ANWR and show him how ugly the area is that would be set aside for drilling."

is ugly the technical term for another ecosystem that we want to smite in the name of dirty fuel?

"and this is a group that will focus on the gender of the candidate."

As well as women's rights, like free choice, something that doesn't meld with your greenhorn.

"Can't hit the girl"

No but you can berate her faults and non-existant qualifications. This is like putting Harriet Myers up for Supreme Court Justice.


"McCain's naming of Palin was extremely upsetting to this worn-out NBC liberal"

Who cares?


"Palin will thrill the base."

And contridict the policies of 'McChange-so-they-elect-me'


"Palin is very attractive"

If I vote for her, I could sleep with her? If looks mattered, McCain would not be your nominee. Nor should he looks protect her from the fight she is voluntarily entering.

"Life issue:...This makes her maybe the most profoundly capable pro-life advocate in the GOP today."

and I quote:
"If legislature passed death penalty law, I would sign it" Source: Campaign website, www.palinforgovernor.com, "Issues" Nov 7, 2006


CONTRIDICTION ALERT! You can not simultaniously be pro-murder and anti-murder. Campaign fluff rhetoric! Why is the RIGHT so wrong on this obvious contridiction?


If you disagree stick your head back in the sand and keep collecting you fat bonus checks.

Posted by: angrymob on August 29, 2008 12:50 PM

Correction to the MobRant's list item "I." above: 7 (she was also a two-term mayor).

As to the qualification issue, technically she IS qualified according to the Constitution, so MobRant's "0" answer is simply born of disdain. But futher, she is at least as qualified as Obama for the office, and given her executive experience, I would say she is more qualified than he - and on that particular score, more than anyone on any presidential ticket this go-around, for that matter.

And I point all this out only in the interest of setting the facts straight; I am no more likely to pull the lever for McCain now than I was yesterday (that is, zero chance). But I do concede I feel better about the result now should he win than before, esp. in light of all those liberals who had been reputed to be in the running for his VP slot.

Posted by: Eric F. Langborgh on August 29, 2008 01:32 PM

Obama -

A. Foreign policy experience= 0

B. # of terms in executive office= 0

C. Qualifications to be president, period = 0

D. # of years as a Marxist = 40

E. # of years in a racist, anti-American church = 20

F. # of years in the corrupt Chicago pol machine = 20

G. # of years collaborating with known terrorists = 10

H. # of days U.S. Senate experience = 154

I. # of present votes = 128

J. # of days in LOVE with America = 4

K. # of legislation written in Senate = 1

Just not enough letters in our alphabet to go on.....

Posted by: asdf on August 29, 2008 01:38 PM

Have you heard McCain's intro and subsequent acceptance speech by VP candidate Palin? Over the top!

Posted by: asdf on August 29, 2008 01:42 PM

MobRant quotes and then writes:

and I quote: "If legislature passed death penalty law, I would sign it" Source: Campaign website, www.palinforgovernor.com, "Issues" Nov 7, 2006

CONTRIDICTION ALERT! You can not simultaniously be pro-murder and anti-murder. Campaign fluff rhetoric! Why is the RIGHT so wrong on this obvious contridiction?

I am somewhat indifferent about the death penalty, and at this stage in my life probably lean against it, for pragmatic reasons. But this lefty argument is so ubiquitous and borne of idiocy that I just have to respond:

Being Pro-Life and pro-death penalty is a contradiction only IF one also thinks the notion that innocent people should be free and not incarcerated, while people guilty of crimes should be deprived some measure of their freedom - and likely incarcerated - for their crimes, for the duration of their sentence is a contradiction.

State of innocence is the measure. The outrage here is not some alleged contraction, but the people like MobRant who can't or won't see the difference.

Posted by: Eric F. Langborgh on August 29, 2008 01:47 PM

John McCain didn't have my vote, until today. Sarah Palin is everything McCain is not. She is conservative, youthful, energetic and beautiful.

Posted by: Jason Trommetter on August 29, 2008 02:16 PM

Ahaha man Obama is so finished. His campaign was built entirely on image and Palin just ripped that rug out from under him.

Posted by: Ben on August 29, 2008 02:17 PM

I'm pro-life, but I'm not sure how you can call a retarded child 'perfection'.

Posted by: M on August 29, 2008 02:29 PM

I think that the Obamanation was finished just on what people have been learning about him and McCain alone was looking to be in pretty good shape. This just seals the deal.

I have to laugh at the naysayers. Obama picks a plagiarizing lying entrenched Senator whos done little in his 36 years in the biggest boys club in the world. McCain picks an accomplished public executive with rock solid values and convictions and hes the one with the problem.

Lefties. Got to laugh and love em. The numb little rascals.

Posted by: asdf on August 29, 2008 02:29 PM

When does the AYRFSF pool start?

Posted by: Homer J. Fong on August 29, 2008 02:34 PM

Langborgh: You took the words right out of my mouth.

Homer: AYRFSF starts next week, perhaps Tuesday. The season starts on Thursday, right?

Jason: I am almost where you are at. I really wasn't considering voting for John McCain until today. Personally, this is a home run pick. With the broader electorate, I think it may prove to a be a home run as well.

Posted by: Dan Flynn on August 29, 2008 02:38 PM

"Sarah Palin is everything McCain is not. "

Exactly my point, combined doublespeak republican positioning on the issues because one stance isn't enough.


You get away with saying you are pro-life but pro-death (penalty) due to a subtle unspoken implication that babies should live, but babies that grow up to kill people should die at our hands. I just hate when someone like her tries to take the moral high ground and use a grandiose phrase like 'pro-life' to tug at heart strings when the openly advocate murder.

I don't see the ties with your incarceration a n a l o g y, saying that a prison sentence is a contradiction. It appears to me like a spectrum for punishment that depends on the severity of the crime. Contradiction? I am open to your ideas, but they are not clear to me. Obviously you understand the argument of the contradiction between pro-life and pro-death, but yet see it both as ubiquitous and idiotic. Why would something so ubiquitous be so idiotic, that is like saying that a 'popular' person shouldn't win the election because he is so cool. Obama is popular for a reason, here and abroad, just as there is a reason Bush is the most unpopular president EVER.

Posted by: youguys on August 29, 2008 03:28 PM

Great pick because it energizes the pro-life evangelicals that have doubts about John McCain. Many of the pro-life Catholics who are still Democrats will switch over to vote Republican. Women who are not to enthralled about Obama will vote for this Republican ticket.

Finally, anyone who couldn't see the creeping socialism in the speech of Barack will no doubt vote Republican. The silver-tongued Obama is slick but he reminds me immmediately of Jimmy Carter and his amorphous administration that was like nailing jello to the wall. Also, JC was all thing to all factions and this will be just a repeat. I don't want him in the White House with the current problems of Iran and Russia.

Posted by: don gorman on August 29, 2008 04:03 PM

It can't start soon enough...

For me, Politics - as a subject discussed at dinner - is second only to Religion (must be why I'm so much fun at a dinner party...).

But "election" politics bores the hell out of me.

Posted by: Homer J. Fong on August 29, 2008 04:17 PM

It can't start soon enough...

For me, Politics - as a subject discussed at dinner - is second only to Religion (must be why I'm so much fun at a dinner party...).

But "election" politics bores the hell out of me.

Posted by: Homer J. Fong on August 29, 2008 04:17 PM

It can't start soon enough...

For me, Politics - as a subject discussed at dinner - is second only to Religion (must be why I'm so much fun at a dinner party...).

But "election" politics bores the hell out of me.

Posted by: Homer J. Fong on August 29, 2008 04:17 PM

It can't start soon enough...

For me, Politics - as a subject discussed at dinner - is second only to Religion (must be why I'm so much fun at a dinner party...).

But "election" politics bores the hell out of me.

Posted by: Homer J. Fong on August 29, 2008 04:17 PM

What the hell? Why did my post go through 4 times?

Posted by: Homer J. Fong on August 29, 2008 04:18 PM

What the hell? Why did my post go through 4 times?

Posted by: Homer J. Fong on August 29, 2008 04:18 PM

at least it wasn't Romney or Lieberman.

Posted by: ben w. on August 29, 2008 04:19 PM

Pinch hitting for Pedro Borbon... Manny Mota...

Posted by: Homer J. Fong on August 29, 2008 04:24 PM

Pinch hitting for Pedro Borbon... Manny Mota...

Posted by: Homer J. Fong on August 29, 2008 04:24 PM

Homer, GET OFF THE CRACK!!! ;-\

Posted by: asdf on August 29, 2008 04:26 PM

"Youguys",

The contradiction argument is a ubiquitous tactic of the Left. That doesn't make it more broadly popular, nor does it make it logical. It isn't, as I demonstrated.

If you think that the innocent and the guilty should be treated the same under the law, then your argument holds water. But if not - and I highly doubt that you or anyone does - then the charge of contraction is nonsense.

In the case of abortion, an individual or individuals take the life an unborn person who is guilty of no crime. That is murder.

In the case of the death penalty, the state judicial system determines that a person is guilty of a heinous enough crime that society has determined warrants the death penalty. The guilty prosecuted to die in the court of law is not murdered. It is civil justice.

Doing A to b is not the same as doing C to d. And holding that one thing is just while a different thing is not is hardly a contradiction.

To insist that it is illogical and, yes, idiotic.

Posted by: Eric F. Langborgh on August 29, 2008 04:36 PM

My last sentance should have read: "To insist that it is [a contradiction] is illogical and, yes, idiotic.

Posted by: Eric F. Langborgh on August 29, 2008 04:39 PM

Turns out Sarah Palin likes Ron Paul: (http://tinyurl.com/6hx689)

Good thing McCain didn't know that ahead of time!

Posted by: Eric F. Langborgh on August 29, 2008 04:45 PM

"That is murder."

no, that is semantics. But we are fully aware that the criminal is truly alive. If a fetus passes the age of viability (a non-constant variable, usually within the third trimester), I might be willing to say that it is alive. Yet I take no stance on the issues because there is no definitive ethical answer. If a particular person or politician actually comes out, takes a stance (like Ms. VP) and defines abortion as immoral murder of another person they must also accept the immorality of the death penalty.

It is not comparing apples to oranges when you begin the argument with the fact that both are 'people' with the same human rights. And by the way you are talking about doing A to B and A to C. Murder no matter how you look at it. Why is it usually Catholics that carry the hypocrisy stance of killing you is ok, but you is not? Then you see an agnostic like me that actually asks what jesus would do. What hypocrisy right?

Posted by: youguys on August 29, 2008 05:09 PM

Republican Party: We do identity politics too!

Posted by: M on August 29, 2008 05:31 PM

If it works for the Party of the Birkenstocked, hairy legged, overweight, crew cutted women with the funny hats, it works for us GOPers.

Posted by: asdf on August 29, 2008 05:37 PM

Wow...I just watched a replay of the Palin speech. I think I am in love. Substance and beauty. Don't tell my wife.

Posted by: Mike on August 29, 2008 05:40 PM

She is the whole packaaghe, no doubt.

Experience? Obama has never had a legitimate opponent in an election and has cruised through his political career. Palin has taken on the meat of Alaskan politics and won office against all odds. Who's more qualified?

Posted by: asdf on August 29, 2008 05:43 PM

Interesting take that "youguys" have/has. Those guilty of crime have the same status before the law. Thanks for clearing that up.

For the rest of the world, we know the difference.

And we also know the difference b/w the judicial system carrying out justice and an individual taking justice into their own hand. I know of no where where this elementary principle is better said than Romans 13:1-4.

Posted by: Eric F. Langborgh on August 29, 2008 05:48 PM

'If it works for the Party of the Birkenstocked, hairy legged, overweight, crew cutted women with the funny hats, it works for us GOPers.'

In other words, you'll use identity politics when it suits you. This is why I hate both parties.

Posted by: M on August 29, 2008 05:49 PM

"In the case of abortion, an individual or individuals take the life an unborn person who is guilty of no crime. That is murder."

I suppose the counter-argument is that a fetus isn't a person until it reaches a certain stage.

"If a fetus passes the age of viability (a non-constant variable, usually within the third trimester), I might be willing to say that it is alive."

A fetus is alive before it reaches viability by any well-accepted definition of life. You may not think the fetus acquires certain rights before viability, but that doesn't make much sense. Why should viability determine whether an unborn child has rights? Why not a pulse? Or brain waves?

Posted by: Eric Wilds on August 29, 2008 05:53 PM

M,

Time to grow up.

Posted by: asdf on August 29, 2008 06:25 PM

Well I don't believe in democracy. You morons are entitled to it.

Posted by: M on August 29, 2008 06:47 PM

Know what's funny? The people who are disgusted by, supposed, identity politics but who would like us to believe that they'll choose Obama based on his qualifications and not his ethnicity.

It's been said before, but if Obama were a white Irish guy from Chicago he'd be unknown and based on his lack of credentials would never be considered for higher office.

Posted by: asdf on August 29, 2008 07:38 PM

Mike, she's no Queen Rania, but she is easy on the eyes. It's about time we had a senior political figure that isn't all fugly.

Posted by: Homer J. Fong on August 29, 2008 09:11 PM

'but if Obama were a white Irish guy from Chicago he'd be unknown and based on his lack of credentials would never be considered for higher office.'

All true. But if Palin was an Alaskan guy, would McCain have picked Palin?

Posted by: M on August 30, 2008 06:24 AM

Ooo, how awesome would it be if he had picked some Alaskan guy and he showed up in an Eskimo outfit with a harpoon...

Posted by: Homer J. Fong on August 30, 2008 08:13 AM

Queen Rania is hot too, but she can't run for office.

On another note I have always loved the "viability" rationalization argument for abortion. Does that really make pro-death types feel better?

Posted by: Mike on August 30, 2008 08:22 AM

Eric W.,

"I suppose the counter-argument is that a fetus isn't a person until it reaches a certain stage."

Yes, it is. And it is whole other debate. But right now what I was focuses on is the absurd notion that being pro-life and pro-death penalty is contradictory. And *that* whole discussion necessarily assumes, for the sake of the argument, the pro-life view of the unborn as fully human with rights. I simply demonstrated that on our terms - which again all sides must assume for the sake of this argument - this holding both positions simultaneously is non-contradictory.

Posted by: Eric F. Langborgh on August 30, 2008 09:50 AM

I'm glad that McCain did not consider Senators Elizabeth Dole, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski (also from Alaska), or Olympia Snowe. I wonder what they are thinking. All their years being dedicated to the Republican party. They at least have experience dealing with Washington politics.

Posted by: Peggy on August 30, 2008 03:08 PM

Langborgh, your quote from the bible is no different from the reasoning of the Egyptians to follow a Pharoe(sp?) and is not connected to the words of Jusus. It was witten by Paul who was an authoritarian misogynist that didn't believe women could amount to anything. Great quote guy.

'Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed'. Your quote gives me the right to tell you what to do because I have a badge so therefore I was appointed by god and am an instrument of god. So I order you to lick your elbow or be judged!!!

Posted by: youguys on August 30, 2008 06:39 PM

"A fetus is alive before it reaches viability by any well-accepted definition of life."

From a biological perspective, before viability it is not an independent organism, and without the blood of it's mother it can not continue for 5 min. You are free to believe it is alive, but in essence it is nothing without it's host, therefore it is inseperable, hence not it's own life.

Posted by: youguys on August 30, 2008 06:44 PM

"Those guilty of crime have the same status before the law. "


yes, they are ALL human with HUMAN RIGHTS, same statue, and if taking one life is immoral, then so is ANY OTHER! Your hypocracy does not escape universal logic.

What do you say to those wrongly killed as a result of an erroneous conviction. Hate to say it, but it does happen. Do you equate that with baby killing? Then shouldn't we eliminate the death penalty altogether to avoid moral wrongdoing?

Posted by: youguys on August 30, 2008 06:49 PM

If life doesn't begin at conception, then why would a guy ever bother to wear a rubber or a woman ever bother with birth control? All of the biological, social, legal or philosophical discussion to the contrary seems to be a waste of time.

On the other hand, the same people who call soldiers baby killers, are the same people who would have no problem sucking the brains out of a near term baby or allowing a live birthed baby die on a table if an abortion was botched.

Posted by: asdf on August 30, 2008 09:05 PM

Hey youguys, have you considered that a newborn, or a one year old, is entirely dependent upon a mother or caregiver. the "it would not last for five minutes" argument is worthless. no baby can care for itself. you're missing the point.

Posted by: PMA on August 30, 2008 09:14 PM

I don't know a single pro-lifer who wouldn't trade a total ban on capital punishment for an end to abortion. This argument is stupid, but if that's your offer, I accept.

Posted by: Homer J. Fong on August 31, 2008 12:01 AM

Definitely a deal I would sign on for.

Posted by: Ben on August 31, 2008 12:05 AM

If the unborn are not legally recognizied as "persons",why is Scott Peterson rotting in prison for double murder? (for killing his wife, Lacey and his unborn "son", Cody). Explain that,
YouGuys.

Posted by: Hugh Manrace on August 31, 2008 01:52 AM

I hear Palins Hubbies a dem. lol It shows this lady wear the pants in that family.

Posted by: tagmnbagm on August 31, 2008 10:30 AM

I think the beauty of a democracy is that you are free to be affiliated with any party you want. Works for Carville and Matalin.

What's the diff? I'm sure this guy could hold his own against anybody and that she would do the same. The fact that they, by all accounts, have a strong relationship would lead me to believe they would respect each other's choices.

At any rate, this isn't an issue. Especially where she's already demonstrated strong Conservative leanings.

Posted by: asdf on August 31, 2008 10:56 AM

Back to Sarah. What's not to like?

Posted by: Mal Kline on August 31, 2008 07:12 PM

To think it all came down to Lieberman and Palin....yikes!

Posted by: The Oath on September 1, 2008 02:16 AM
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