Al Gore told a Capitol Hill committee that Earth faces "a true planetary emergency" (TPE) in global warming. This, apparently, is in contrast to a fake planetary emergency (FPE). FPEs include the coming ice age, acid rain, the population bomb, and DDT poisoning. The way to weed out the TPEs from the FPEs is to determine which looming catastrophe environmentalists are currently using to scare people. If, for instance, environmentalists are no longer saying that acid rain will wipe out all the trees in the northeast, then, it becomes a FPE. But when acid rain (instead of global warming) was the cause celebre, then acid rain was a TPE. Global warming is the rage from Telegraph Ave. to Harvard Square, so it's a TPE...until the next armageddon comes along.

I am curious to see the documentary that aired in England a couple of weeks ago in which a fair number of scientists called man-made global warming a farse. According to them, the culprit is increased solar radiation. They also argue that the record of C02 levels in arctic ice formations demonstrates that increased C02 is not a cause but an effect of global warming. Hopefully it will air in the U.S.

(Dan, "info@flynnfiles.com" is bouncing back my email. Please let me know an address so I can forward you something. Tks.)

Right.

Tell me again Dan, where was the moon landing staged? Arizona or Nevada?

You're really a conspiracy theorist you know that.

The Liberals and Democrats have done nothing with their new found leadership but obstruct and confuse and these mock “hearings” on Global Warming are just another episode in the obscuring of the facts to keep people thinking about nothing.

They’ve grandstanded and put on show trials regarding the War effort, the Libby / Plame fiasco, justifiable firings of Federal Prosecutors and now the Global Warming boondoggle.

They obviously have no agenda and no solutions so they choose to obfuscate reality and do what they do best: create and then thrive off of chaos. I just hope the American people are paying attention.

Oh, and I loved Markey's comment about Gore being a "prophet", giving more proof that this GW foolishness is truly the new religion of the Left.

"Right.

Tell me again Dan, where was the moon landing staged? Arizona or Nevada?

You're really a conspiracy theorist you know that." -Rethuglican Prince

Argumentum ad hominem is a logical fallacy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic

You would do well to read that.

I'm pretty sure the moon landing was staged on the moon. I'm less sure that the increases in the Earth's temperature are the result of man-made C02. There are quite a few scientists arguing that significant increases in C02 are the result of global warming (not vice versa), and that global warming is caused by increased solar radiation.

So, instead of reducing our C02 emissions, we should really be trying to put out the Sun.

The US currently has over 140 billion barrells of recoverable oil under its ground and in its coastal waters becuase of the global warming hysteria we have been unable to drill for this oil. Since we have been unable to tap into more of our own domestic supplies, we have had to rely on other countries to supply this need. Many of our foreign suppliers do not have our best interests at heart. It would be best to end this hysteria and develop more of our own oil and gas resources.

By developing more of our own oil and gas reserves we will be buying less from other nations. This will lessen the amount of money available to our enemies. By lessening the amount of money going to them this makes it easier to contain and defeat them.

The global warming hysteria has caused us to reap some very bitter fruit. This hysteria has significantly strengthened the hand of America's most dangerous enemies. This is very bitter fruit indeed. It is past time to end the hysteria and craft a sensible energy policy.

This sensible energy policy will include developing our resources in all of the areas that are currently off limits. In addition to this, the gaoline tax should be significantly reduced.

The media and the global warming hysterics have spun this so that oil companies are seen as greedy robber barons. It is best not to think of oil companies this way. The best way to think of oil companies is to think of them as the group that supplies us with a substance that is vital to the functioning of a first world economy. Without them a first world economy cannot function. As such, we should be thanking them instead of slandering them.

What a joke Ben-T.

I wasn't making an argument about global warming.

I was just pointed out that your conspiracy theory argument is weak.

Its not an attack on the person, its an attack on the argument he made that global warming is an internetional conspiracy of geeks to get funding for thier projects.

Its laughable.

No, you didn't address the argument. You made an evidentiary assertion (Dan's argument is a conspiracy theory) failed to support it, and then personally attacked him.

Global warming is something I'm very concerned about. But it seems there us still a lot of data that needs to be collected and examined, followed by intelligent debate from the scientific community. Hyperbole from the likes of Al Gore only adds to the confusion about this complicated issue. The strong arm tactics being used by some to push their man-made global warming POLITICS will only hurt the cause in the long term. Dam shame.

Here are a couple interesting links concerning global warming:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,260021,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258462,00.html

Was it Ralph that said he hoped that BBC documentary would be released in the US? Whoever asked for it, here it is:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4520665474899458831&q=the+great+global+warming+swindle

Also available on YouTube, if you prefer.

Guess who's boss?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdjQjqPB2Yc&mode=related&search=

Irrelevant to the discussion.

I watched the British documentary on youtube. It is quite persuasive. The scientists who argue against man-made global warming point out three empirical facts.

(1) The rise and fall of C02 over the centuries (as derived from the ice core samples from the Poles) are correlated with the rise and fall of temparture, except that the rise and fall of C02 lags 800 years behind that of temperature.

(2) The upper atmosphere is warming at a lesser rate than the surface of the earth.

(3) Over a 40-year period in the second half of the 20th century, C02 emissions declined from levels earlier in the century. The decline coincided with a significant rise in temperature.

Now, as these are merely reports of data, either the scientists in the documentary are simply lying, or the that is in fact the data. It's extremely doubtful that they would lie about something that could be easily checked.

The conclusions they draw from this data seem unavoidable. And as drawing conclusions from premises is not the exclusive province of science, even us ignorant laymen can evaluate their inferences.

(1) It is impossible for a cause to lag 800 years behind and effect, therefore, increased C02 does not cause global warming.

(2) Given current atmospheric theory, if C02 were the cause of increased temperatures on the surface, it would be impossible for the temperature in the upper atmosphere to be increasing at a lesser rate than that of the temperature. (This inference is not quite open to our inspection, as it involves scientific theory; however, the scientists cited numerous theoretical predictions that the temperature in the upper would be greater than the surface temperature.) Therefore, given current theory, it is impossible for C02 to be the cause of rises in surface temperature.

(2) It is unlikely that C02 is responsible for global warming given that decreases in C02 are sometimes correlated with higher temperatures.

They then offer an extremely compelling case for the claim that the cycles of the Sun are, in several ways, responsible for global warming.

I would love to hear the responses on the other side of this debate.

Interesting. I would love to hear anyone's (intelligent) counter to this or any position regarding global warming.

1. This is true only because natural increases in co2 concentrations happen slowly. Man-made increases do not happen slowly.

2. Why is this relevent? The upper atmosphere is further from the warm earth and closer to cold space. When warming trends occur its only natural that the parts closest to the earth warm faster since that's where the solar energy is re-reflected from the gases.

3. This data is unbeleiveably inaccurate. It is true that certain forms of pollution declined in the second half of the twentieth centruy, but not carbon dioxide emissions. If this were true global warming scientists would have no case.

That was easy.

The fact is global warming skecptisim is driven by the fear of vast economic damage from any attempt to mitigate climate change and a disbelief that free markets can have any negitive externalities whatsoever.

I wish I had an intelligent counter to this. I tried to post the Captain Planet episode from Robot Chicken in this thread, and I couldn't even do that right.

But I'll tell you these:

1) People always think they're more important (and having more of an impact) than they really are.
2)I think I read somewhere that there was a mini-ice age in the 16th century. Does anyone know if this is true?
3) I have been to lakes where my father used to fish when he was a child that are now completely dead from acid rain. It's depressing.
4) The fact that the alien from Alien has acid for blood has always scared the crap out of me. Because even if you kill it, the acid can still get you.

The sun variation theory is valid to a point. The sun indeed does cause variations in temperature, but nothing like we're seeing now.

Check out this page:
http://solar-center.stanford.edu/sun-on-earth/glob-warm.html

For more info.

"That was easy."

Confusion always is.

Imagine that?! The sun causes variations in temperature. That likely explains most of it.

Humans have the capacity to think and sometime it's that intellectual ability that makes us feel that we're more important and have more of an effect on things than we do. In many cases, we think ourselves into crisises that likely don't exist and that are the result of more natural phenomenon than anything else.

Before we ever came along, the Earth had gone through similar changes as it is going through now, many times over. Nothing stays the same and there has always been flux in temperature and environment. Plants have always given off massive amounts of CO2 (there were many more of them before humans arrived), and spontaneous combustion from temperature and massive forest fires, probably causes by lightning, have produced natural pollution.

Let's get over ourselves. The rest is just pseudo-scientific mental masturbation.

I think this settles it:

http://www.longmontfyi.com/Local-Story.asp?ID=15357

the pre-teens have spoke.

r.c.

The Planet has a fever. And the only cure is more cow bell.

"Imagine that?! The sun causes variations in temperature. That likely explains most of it."

Really?

Why's that? Because the scientists think differnetly.

Care to refute thier obsevations?

You have your own solar measurments you'd like to share with the rest of us keyboard smasher?

Anyone claiming the dispute on this topic is settled science is hasty and mistaken. This blog usually focuses on political topics, and the science on global warming is beyond politics. Even the people whose job it is to an@lyze GW are not settled, and those who pretend that it is are not doing empiricism justice. Science takes a lot of time, and hot air, aside from its effect on GW, obfuscate the issue.

It's one thing to see what this or that group of scientists are hypothesizing; it's another to hold up that hypothesis as your banner.

"You have your own solar measurments you'd like to share with the rest of us keyboard smasher?" -Rethuglican Prince

Well, according to the documentary in question, studies of the polar ice caps reveal that Co2 emissions lag behind temperature changes by as much as 800 years. Indicating that it is a symptom, not a cause, of climate change.

www.silentsuperbug.com

www.911lies.com

That's a laughable assertion.

The "lag" is only caused by the fact that natural changes in CO2 concentraion occur slowly.

There's no lag this time bcause we are QUICKLY putting more CO2 into the atmosphere.

Next...

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-op-chait25mar25,0,3748551.column?track=mostviewed-homepage

"It's one thing to see what this or that group of scientists are hypothesizing; it's another to hold up that hypothesis as your banner."

So true, Webster. Some would do well to keep that in mind.

Heha:
Your veneer as the R.P. is starting to peel off. Is "keyboard smasher" the '07 equivalent to "god-lover"? What the hell is a keyboard smasher, anyway?

"That's a laughable assertion.

The "lag" is only caused by the fact that natural changes in CO2 concentraion occur slowly.

There's no lag this time bcause we are QUICKLY putting more CO2 into the atmosphere.

Next..." -Rethuglican Prince

The fact that you bothered to make that assertion reveals that you have utterly missed the point. The Co2 cannot be causing the warming if it was not in the air at the time that the warming occurred.

Addendum: Specifically, it would have had to reach the troposphere at the time that the troposphere warmed (this would also have to occur quite a while before the surface of the earth warmed at at a much faster rate).

That predicted troposphere warming has not been shown to be occurring at all.

Could you deny that the Sun has the greatest control over our planet's atmosphere and thus has more of an affect on our environment than we do?

So, what do we do about the Sun? Truth is, we control very little.

BTW, I liked that "keyboard smasher" crack. Should I take that to mean a reference to those of us neanderthals who get pi$$ed and bang the keys? Not sure because it's likely too deep for me. But it was entertaining.

you can find the Brittish documentary, "The Great
Global Warming Swindle" at Larryelder.com
Look for "Gore-bull Warming"