"If the 'surge' is really working in Iraq, all my fellow Democrats should rejoice, because it's one more step toward getting U.S. troops the hell out of there. Let Bush have his face-saving claims of victory--who cares? Just bring this stupid, wasteful war to an end. Our brave soldiers and their families have suffered enough. And the toll in death, mutilation and trauma among hundreds of thousands of ordinary Iraqis is obscenely high and will never be fully documented. I remain skeptical about long-term political prospects in Iraq, whose nationhood was a convenient British fiction after World War I and whose border territory may eventually be devoured by its neighbors, including Turkey and Iran."
--Camille Paglia, "Dogma Days," December 12, 2007

Lets WIN and get out, wow now thats a thought.

Win what precisely? Is there an objective, or even enemy forces for us to defeat?

Tagm,

We have fought in Iraq longer than the entire WWII. What exactly have we NOT won? We ousted Hussein and he is dead. We destroyed his regime entirely. We succeeded in securing the WMD's (I won't dwell here that we did so b/c there weren't any). This is just an occupation that in no way serves our security or national interests.

An occupation isn't even a war. The Iraq War has been over for years now . . . we just haven't recognized that fact I guess.