Don't let the facts get in the way of your narrative, Sherriff Clarence Dupnik. In the wake of the horrific mass murder in Tucson, Arizona, Pima County's top lawman set off a wave of wild speculation blaming the tragedy on conservative rhetoric. As I write @ FrontPageMag.com, accused gunman Jared Lee Loughner not only is described as a left-wing radical by people who knew him, but, far more importantly, is crazy.

You're better than this garbage (I think).

Jared Lee Loughner not only is described as a left-wing radical by people who knew him...i>

Dan Flynn is described as a right-wing moron by people who know him. asdf is described as an illiterate sex-obsessed jackass by people who know him. NR is described as an overly-sensitive Canadian pussy by people who know him. Does that make any of those statements true?

Civil libertarians need to make sure that the surveillance state doesn't ratchet up their unconstitutional efforts in the wake of this tragedy as authoritarian power structures seem to benefit from these disasters.

PMA: What I said happens to be factually true. I'm sorry if the truth doesn't sit well with you. The classmate of Loughner's who said this via Twitter was Caitie Parker, who apparently went to high school and college with the alleged killer. It's been widely reported, including in The New York Times. Loughner also was a 9/11 Truther and allegedly burned a flag on YouTube. I say this not to issue a mass indictment against all people who hold similar views. But to say that the Left's attempt to indict everyone who holds similar views with their fictitious Jared Lee Loughner--the character who goes to Tea Party rallies and hangs on Rush Limbaugh's every word--is specious on numerous levels. Crazy is a member of every political party.

Wow PMA, nice "incendiary rhetoric." Or is it "hyperbole" when it comes from the left?

Guess you and Barry would bring a gun to a knife fight, eh?

Your more thoughtful secondary statement is interesting however. All I've seen the past couple of days are calls to curb free speech, which both of us should be concerned by.

I thought Byron York's article the other day on the massacre was quite interesting, where he compared and contrasted this massacre with the one at Fort Hood.

You know, where an army chaplin goes in guns blazing and reportedly yelling, "Allahu Akbar" as he gunned down person after person. At the time, everyone from the president on down cautioned that we not "jump to conclusions" about his motives.

Fast forward to the weekend and it seems caution as to motives has gone out the window. As has thoughtful reflection.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/01/journalists-urged-caution-after-ft-hood-now-race-blame-palin-afte

Not surprised, it's in the playbook. Rahm put it best when he counselled that we, "should never let a good crisis go to waste."

Actually, here's the full quote:

"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before."

But what do I know? Just a super-sensitive pussy from Canada. Cute.

The garbage is being strewn by both sides. The point which I poorly tried to make is that anyone can describe anyone as anything, but that doesn't make the description true (eg Dan Flynn isn't a moron, asdf isn't a jackass, NR isn't a pussy, even though a guy on the internet describes them as such). Just the facts, sir.

"Just the facts."

I believe Dan has already addressed your criticism of his article.

I would entirely agree with you that rhetoric (incendiary or otherwise) is a bi-partisan affair.

Too bad the sheriff in this case can't stick with the facts.

Jared is lucky he wasn't aborted. I don't know, however, if his parents are pro-abortion or not. If they are, maybe Jared thinks that he could have easily been annihlated in the womb, and that since he made it out, he views life as a random event, punctuated by meaningless death. The Congresswoman was pro-abortion. It's the luck of the draw.

"moron", "jackass", "pussy" are all epithets, all character judgments rather than descriptions. But you correctly identified their politics. I don't think "social conservative" is an epithet, yet somebody might use it to identify me.

Somebody on the web doesn't know you as well as somebody from high school. What it's saying is that in contrast to the national speculation that he was a Tea Party member, he could be identified by somebody who knew him as left-wing.

But more importantly, Dan's statement does not depend on that, in fact it simply mentions it to center on that he was crazy. We have no way of knowing what of the world outside filtered into his reality or how it did so.

I have to wonder when the self-dubbed science-minded left is going to see disconfirming evidence to their hypothesis.

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Sea King,

Just for clarity's sake, I'm an anti-empiricist and am not fixated on the natural sciences. I'm a hardcore left-wing liberal rationalist who upholds the supremacy of ethics, political philosophy, and mathematics and that their application is more important than "progress for progress's sake" or "science for science's sake." The scientific method is only valuable to humanity if its fruits are applied in a way that benefits humanity.

Technology can be used to cure disease or drop nuclear bombs. Science and technology are amoral.

Oh, and Sea King, my poorly worded point still holds. Whether your mother, wife, high school, friend, or fellow FlynnFiles commenter describes you as anything whatsoever proves only that you have been described as such. It doesn't make the description true. It's dishonest for you to claim otherwise.

The salient facts are that Jared Loughner is a murderer, and that he murdered several innocent people including a Democratic congresswoman and a federal judge who ruled in favor of illegal immigrants in a multi-million dollar lawsuit. That a high school friend describes him as a liberal only proves the fact that a high school friend describes him as a liberal. It does not follow necessarily that Loughner is a liberal. Hence the poorly worded illustration about morons etc., because it doesn't prove that anyone is a moron etc. because someone describes them as such.

*EDIT he shot the congresswoman through the head. She's still alive.