Isn't it a good thing that Mexicans and not Muslims are clamoring to get into the United States? Mexicans boo Miss America and throw trash on the U.S. soccer team. But I've never known one to crash a car bomb into an airport. However corrupt their government, Mexicans aren't that different culturally from Americans. Mexicans don't speak our language, but they do practice the majority religion. The immigration problem in Europe is far worse. Aside from Zorro and a few professional wrestlers, Mexicans don't wear masks as a sizable portion of the immigrant population in Europe does. The immigrant population is culturally far more different from the natives in, say, England, France, the Netherlands, than it is here. Not only do many of the newcomers not want to assimilate, the governments, run as they are by mush heads, want to preserve cultural Bantustans for the immigrants too. Millions of Mexicans have ignored American laws to come here to work. That's bad. Millions of Muslims have obeyed European laws to go there to transplant their own rotten civilization and even support violence against the nations that give them safe harbor. That's worse.

I don't disagree that Muslim civilization is inferior to the West's.

But that's much different than saying that muslim people are inferior to christian people, which is basically what you're saying.

What is the measure of a man?

All I am saying is at least 50% of Mexican wrestlers wear masks. Its f##ked up, (more than a just a few) the Mexican wrestling on telemundo is hilarious.

Well, its going a little far to measure a man from the cultral milieu he emigrated from.

There were many brave Russian-Americans who emigrated during the Cold War. We didn't all take them for commies. Indeed, one of them went on to found Google.

There were millions of Americans of german decent at the time of the second world war. Rather than dismiss them as cluless facists, America embraced them. One such man was Albert Einstien, who contributed greatly to this country.

Islam is a barbaric religion, and Islamic nations are therefore vastly less civlilized than Western ones. But there is no good reason why America or Europe couldn't successfully integrate them.

Inedeed, America mostly has integrated its muslim population quite well. And Europe's integration woes have as much to do with thier retarted socialist economic policies than the fact that these people come from Muslim countries.

THE INVASION IS HERE!!!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Map-Hispanophone_World.png

Economist,

So, that's what he's saying? So "masks"--head-scarves (which are cultural)--and jihadi violence (also cultural) are suddenly judgments against the individual?

How less is saying that these people have somehow, as opposed to Westerners, come up with a "civilization is inferior to the West's." Except that you've managed to be non-committal about it?

And in contrast, I suggest you note the clue words that Dan gives about the difference between cultures: "Mexicans aren't that different culturally", and in view of that, after providing for the counter in "our language" he gives "majority religion" (not "Christianity") as a buttress to that idea. And in contrast, he says "The immigrant population is culturally far more different [in Europe]" that "[do] not want to assimilate".

See, if you read for actual words and not "code words" you might actually be able to sum up another person's argument.

"We didn't all take them for commies", and "dismiss[ing] them as clu[e]less fa[s]cists" both reflect our attitude for them. It could only challenge their "not want[ing] to assimilate", if it showed that Muslims wanted to assimilate (and would be specific about Muslims) or that commies and fascists who came to this country wanted to change America to become roughly as Communistic or Fascist as their home country.

Neither of these cases show a breaking down in a resistance to assimilate, so a resistance to assimilation is a good reason why it might not be the same. The Germans, often fleeing the Nazis, who came over to this country were not asking for Aryan enclaves, claiming the freedom to make Jews wear stars because it was part of their "German culture".

To say that the Germans, or the Irish, Italians, Pollacks, Chinese, what have you, did not resist integration is simply factually inaccurate. Yes, German Americans did create their own cultural enclaves, and did attempt to retain their own language. So did every other immigrant group that came to America. Most immigrants do not assimilate really until the third generation, while the vast majority of Mexican immigrants to the US are currently first or second generation immigrants.

That does not mean we should simply allow blatant disrespect for America's laws and national sovereignty. That is a different issue.

I don't think I'd discount the fact that almost thirty percent of our prison population are border jumping illegal aliens. And I wouldn't say that illegals who murder, rape, maim, drunk drive, don't pay taxes and collect welfare benefits are not dangerous socially and economically.

If you calculate the negative impact of angry legal Muslim immigrants and illegal hispanic immigrants I think our problems are greater than Europe's.

Muslim immigrants to the US are not really a threat. Most studies I have read say that only a very tiny percentage of them are radicalized.

I would agree with that. But, unless I misunderstood, the comparison was being made based on who has it worse: Europeans having to deal with a radicalized Muslim population or the U.S. having to deal with illegal invaders from the South.

Ben T: People from Poland are called "Poles" in English.

That's a good point. Don't hear the term 'Pollacks' much anymore. It's definately a slang term for Poles. I remember my Father referring to one his best friends as a Pollack regularly. Of course, that was before people became politically correct and thin skinned sensitive and when men actually had scrotums with testicles in them.

Wanna know what will happen to the national Republican Party after this immigration debacle?

Just look at what happened to the California Republican Party after Prop 201.

Being Anti-Hispanic is a one way ticket to permanant minority status at the national level.

http://economist.com/world/na/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9443515

"Ben T: People from Poland are called "Poles" in English." -- Polska

I know, sorry. I have friends who are Poles and refer to each other as "Pollacks", obviously in a light hearted manner, but I often flatly forget that its an offensive term. Shouldn't have.

I rest my case.