Jane Fonda is fond of Jane Fonda. The actress/activist explained to Chris Matthews Friday night: "Jane is a smart, brave, resilient seeker." But when it came time to defend her disgraceful behavior as a thirtysomething anti-war activist, Fonda wasn't so brave. Defensively, she maintained: "I didn't take sides" on the Vietnam War. Grainy video of Fonda clapping, smiling, and singing with Communist soldiers suggests otherwise. So too do her "Tokyo Rose" radio broadcasts condemning American "war criminals."
Following more than a quarter-century of Communist domination of Vietnam, Fonda still isn't willing to admit that America's enemy in Vietnam were Communists. "Maybe they were communists" is the most Fonda could bring herself to say, adding: "Ho Chi Minh was essentially a nationalist." "I went there to stop the bombing of the dykes," Fonda recalls of her controversial two-week trip to North Vietnam. "It stopped a month after I got back." While the fawning Matthews would have been more honest had he temporarily retitled his program Softball, his guest's self-importance seemed to inspire a skeptical line of inquiry on Vietnam. If veterans were so grateful for her anti-war activities, "Why don't they thank you? They thanked Nixon." Fonda sounded a bit like Porky Pig in her non-answer. She later explained: "I know that's true" that anti-war activists shortened the war.
When Matthews asked why she believed the North Vietnamese were on the side of the angels, Fonda didn't question the premise of his question. "But from an historical point of view, they were defending their country.... we should never have been there." Maybe not, but that doesn't mean we were the bad guys in the fight. Matthews took her evasive answer as saying that Ho Chi Minh and company were the good guys. This viewer did too.
The conversation drifted, and Fonda rejected the Red State-Blue State dichotomy. Matthews asked, "What part of you is conservative?" After an uncomfortably long pause, Fonda responded: "I don't...I don't know how to ans..." Ultimately, Fonda explained that pornography, media immorality, and corruption bothered her. "I am a feminist Christian," she maintained. "It's hard for me to say that because these days that word is so loaded with politics." Which word, "Feminist"? Matthews wondered. No, "Christian," Fonda responded, "I think that Jesus was a feminist." "I think that back in the fourth century, the bishops made a decision" to omit various progressive texts from the Bible, she claimed. "Boy there was some wonderful things that were left out," the actress/activist/Biblical scholar held. The late pope joined the Bible as a point of religious complaint. "There was much about him that caused tremendous suffering for women," Fonda opined regarding John Paul II. The former Vassar student explained of the pontiff who visited more than 100 nations, "I wish that I could have taken him to Third-World countries" to see suffering women.
Want to see what a spoiled, liberal, rich kid looks like when she grows up? Check out Jane Fonda on her book tour.
Unbelieveable. Typical though, funny how Jesus always looks like what ever the liberal (theologically that is) moron wants him to be.
Thats right kids, Jesus was a vegetarian, communist hippe here to see that all the lesbian badgers as saved from oppression.
Jason
Whenever I want to know how much the Right-Wing hates America, I just come and read Dan Flynn.
noname,
would you mind reinforcing your argument with examples? oh, that's right. all liberals can do to win arguments is throw pies, puke on themselves, and violently silence the opposition.
christ matthews has always played selective hardball, fawning over liberal icons like teddy "the swimmer" kennedy and jane fonda and pretending to like john mccain and governor jesse ventura in a pathetic attempt to prove he is a moderate, but at the end of the day the only people who get grilled on that show are conservatives.
with a c.v. like this you're not going to be anything but liberal:
Matthews spent 15 years in politics and government, working in the White House for four years under President Jimmy Carter as a Presidential speechwriter and on the Government Reorganization Project, in the U.S. Senate for five years on the staffs of Senator Frank Moss (Utah) and Senator Edmund Muskie (Maine), and as the top aide for Speaker of the House Thomas P. “Tip” O’Neill, Jr. for six years.
http:://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080432
In Matthews's defense, he was more than fair to me when I appeared on his program. He did seem more than a bit starstruck by Fonda. Could you imagine anyone giving so much deference to Tokyo Rose?
It is very interesting that the liberals selectively pick apart what they want to perceive about Jesus. He grew up in a traditional Jewish home where the scriptures of that time were the Old Testament. Man and woman were both husband and wife and father and mother.
Those scriptures were believed and followed. There is no indication in the New Testament that he was some kind of a hippie "rebel" leader of His day. What He rejected was false religion that added unnecessary burdens upon men that neither they nor those men could keep. By dying on the cross He gave us the New Covenant and a new way for fallen man to be reached by God. His Apostles and Prophets that wrote the New Testament show us as christians how to live in this world.
As for Jane Fonda's allusion to the 4th century
church and its alleged conspiracies to hide these progressive texts from the church faithful is nothing but the liberal scholars of the "Jesus
Seminar" who have spent recent years trying to debunk the historical Jesus of the Bible. They will fail and the Church will remain and the gates of Hell will not prevail against it. As for her comment about taking Pope Paul to the Third World countries where women are suffering - Most of these countries embrace religions and state religions that oppress women.
Christianity has always elevated the status of women wherever it has gone evangelizing. Many of these countries do not want Christianity to be brought in.
Hmmm so that's interesting.
So when, two independent nations exist, and one of those nations invades the other, said aggressor is "defending the nation." ?
Whenever I want to know how much the Left-Wing hates America, and how much I want to kill Lefties I just come and read NoName's blog.
Hey James, what's with the death-wishes, dude? (Whatever happened to "pray for your enemies"?)
Can't you refrain from such disturbing talk?
Jane Fonda is a perfect example of a messed up Hollywood brat and, outside of bringing attention and making an azz out of herself during the VN war, I’m still wondering what is so bloody interesting about her and how what she says makes any difference at all!
Jesus was a feminist. Um, yeah. Everything he is ever known or believed to have said can fit on one side of a single page of a newspaper, and there's nothing there that has the first thing to do with feminism. If He were so concerned about feminism, as we understand it, then why in the world didn't He say so? Think of it: God has incarnated Himself as a human being, for the sake of dying a tortuous death, and preaching His word, but He fails entirely to mention that he's opposed to the entire Abrahamic tradition on its most foundational assumptions, especially regarding sex and the human person. And, He goes on blathering about "the Father," deciding for no reason to omit the semantic revolution so beloved of feminists.
Reading the Gospel, one would think He was a pre-modern, conservative apocalyptic Jew. The entire liberal argument for casting Christ as a feminist-socialist-pick-your-ist comes down to this: He was (almost) as virtuous as liberals are, talking as he did about love and all.
What has she done in film that has won wide attention since On Golden Pond (1981)? What public spotlight has she earned since that workout video (mid-80s)? Has she made herself a spokesperson for a save-the-world issue, as Sally Struthers and Pricess Di did? Where does her 'credibility' derive from?
Her credibility derives only from the Hollywood crowd and the media that panders to and pants over her and her ilk.
They realize that people listen to these phonies and take what they have to say seriously. So they follow them and listen to them and give them much more air time than should be allowed all in the name of the mighty entertainment dollar.
Most of them are under-educated, semi-literate ‘arteeests’ who know nothing about the real world and have nothing to say but to offer refried leftist political philosophies.
