07 / November
07 / November
We're Not in Kansas Anymore

It's not the president but the electorate that truly worries me. There is a sense that we have immigrated without even moving. The demographics have shifted not just through immigration but by behavioral changes among the native born. Voters are more likely to shun marriage and church than they were a generation ago. So many people depend on government for their jobs, education, health care, food, retirement, and so much else that the party of government now enjoys an almost permanent majority. This quote, from a Byron York article, sums it up for me: "It makes me wonder who my fellow citizens are," Marianne Doherty of Boston told York. "I've got to be honest, I feel like I've lost touch with what the identity of America is right now. I really do."

posted at 08:39 AM
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The electorate is a worry no question. We are a coarser, more negative, more cynical and less informed society. But what should really worry us the most is act II of Barack Insane Obama unencumbered by nothing but a flimsy 22nd Amendment penned in a document that he cares little about.

Posted by: asdf on November 7, 2012 09:18 AM

Just a thought before I go on my morning run: maybe the Repubs need to drop this tired religious rhetoric they have been addicted to these last 30 years or so. It's played out, ineffective and most people I speak to (most of them conservative) are tired of hearing it. The reliance of so many on government by so many bothers me as well; the shunning of religion is something I can only rejoice in. It's time for the repubs to pull their heads out of their collective asses; jettisoning the religious gobbledygook seems like a logical place to start.

I'm not happy about who we have for the next four years, wasn't much happier about the prospect of Romney as prez.

Posted by: Ancient Mariner on November 7, 2012 09:28 AM

Well, I don't know about you, but I'm going to go smoke some weed, maybe play some bl@ckjack, marry another dude and pay for some chick's abortion. Because this is AMERICA goddamnit!

Posted by: HomerJFong on November 7, 2012 10:43 AM

You go Homer, just don't splash none on me. Thanks for the morning chuckle.

Posted by: Ancient Mariner on November 7, 2012 11:39 AM

Religion is the culprit? Really A.M.??

Posted by: asdf on November 7, 2012 12:07 PM

What can you learn about the electorate when (what?) 60-70% of them do not vote?

Here are a few suggestions:

1) The two parties (or really the one ruling class and its propaganda arm) does not appeal to most people because there is no meaningful difference between them.

2) Most people put their energies and efforts into pursuits where they have influence and control, namely what is called the "private" life of family, work, leisure activities. This area is where people feel they have still some sort of limited freedom (largely illusion though). This so-called "apathy" is always normal except in a "democracy" it is frowned upon (if we still had a republic it would not be).

3) Contests over the 100+ years of the unconstitutionally sovereign presidency is the only thing which every now and again can get people to show up to vote en masse. The GOP Jon Kerry never had much of a chance to inspire such an event.

I could probably suggest some more but I have reached my time limit on caring about the politics of this country.

Posted by: Bruce Wayne on November 7, 2012 12:55 PM

A: Religion is A culprit, please dispute.

Will respond to all in a little bit (recording my latest album at the moment). I wonder sometimes: Am I the only kinda/sorta/maybe conservative who thinks at 300 hundred beats per minute and 120 decibels sound pressure?

We'll all get through this, I promise. Best to all as always.

Posted by: Ancient Mariner on November 7, 2012 01:39 PM

So many people depend on government for their jobs, education, health care, food, retirement, and so much else

Sounds like you are describing soldiers.

Posted by: Kill War on November 7, 2012 02:52 PM

No, Kill War. You have it backwards. We depend on soldiers--and sailors, airmen, and Marines.

Posted by: Dan Flynn on November 7, 2012 03:13 PM

The main point I was trying to make was the Republicans tired and constant rhetoric of the importance of religion in our daily lives and the need for it to stop. The truth:

Most of the founding fathers were not religious. You know, the guys who wrote the Declaration of Independence and The Constitution. It seems to me (being Englishman themselves) they had the best idea of how not to run a country. Ribald to be sure but they knew what not to do.

Religion and morality are not in any way linked.

If religion was the answer to our problems we would have no problems. Any poll/study I have ever read indicated the United States was over 90% religious. So whatís the issue: Not enough Baptists/catholics/mormans/johovahís witnessesÖ knocking on my door telling me how to live? Itís similar to saying the solution to violent crime is to enact more gun control legislation, i.e. absolute bs. Until we drop dogma and adapt critical thought we will never take back this country from the social parasites.

For the most part: I am religious = me first. No thought, no pain, stick the needle into my veins. To be clear I am in favor of freedom of religion or any form of self expression, itís just the bible crowd needs to adapt the same attitude toward those of us who have a different mindset; weíre not all necessarily crazy left wingers you know? We also donít want to have your morality shoved up our asses.

There is a reason most if not all of the predominantly Christian nations have a secular form of government; they have seen the effects of theocracy. They are happy to keep the illusion but donít want it to influence their daily lives. Maybe the Muslims will have learned the same in 600-800 years.

Bruce is right, until the parties get to know the 60-70% we have no hope.

Obama: F**k you

Romney: You deserved to lose. I guess your magic underwear couldnít save you from your own stupidity.

Posted by: Ancient Mariner on November 7, 2012 04:51 PM

Thanks for saying I am right about the non-voting bloc being of interest but I doubt anyone here is going to take the bait and debate your bigotry with you.

I predict that you will get the internet equivalent of the uncomfortable silence.

Posted by: Bruce Wayne on November 7, 2012 05:48 PM

Great prediction Mr. Flynn. It was obvious on the day before the election that we had no chance to beat Obama. The hurricane didn't help, plus the fact that the news media contributed to the endless attacks on Republicans. Romney did not win any of the swing states you mentioned except N. Carolina (and if you followed the polling more carefully, that was evident days in advance). I expected Obama to finish with about 290 electoral votes, but he got 332 after upset wins in Virgina & Florida.

Posted by: Howard on November 7, 2012 06:24 PM

Great prediction Mr. Flynn. It was obvious on the day before the election that we had no chance to beat Obama. The hurricane didn't help, plus the fact that the major news media contributed to the endless attacks on Republicans. Romney did not win any of the swing states you mentioned except N. Carolina (and if you followed the polling more carefully, it was evident days in advance that Obama led in all but Virginia & Florida). I expected Obama to finish with about 290 electoral votes, but he got 332 after upset wins in Virgina & Florida.

Posted by: Howard on November 7, 2012 06:26 PM

Yeah A.M., we're really lucky to have such a deep and swift thinker as you among us.

Religion is still your answer. Amazing.

Most of the electorate are not like you on the minus side or like others on the plus side. A majority really don't give it much thought either way because religion is not a big part of their lives.

Actually, one of my least favorite pundits Bill O'Reilly summed it up pretty well saying that people voted for Obama because he gives them stuff. That's what Obama does and apparently who his real base is.

And whenever I hear somebody say "magic underwear", it makes me question their validity. In fact, it's an automatic dismissal of their opinions.

Posted by: asdf on November 7, 2012 06:46 PM

Well, AM, you Atheists (with a capital "A") all sound the same, and it's equally tired. But your underlying point is spot on. In a culture where asking someone to slow down at a STOP sign can get you shot in the face, no one really wants to hear anyone's opinion about how they're living their lives. All criticism is to be met with VIOLENCE, verbal or otherwise. Liberals make people feel good about themselves. People telling you that you're pi$$ing your life away, don't. The Right is easily defined as being the latter - it's a charge that sticks because it's mostly true.

Posted by: Homer J. Fong on November 7, 2012 08:25 PM

Dan, I'm not sure so sure you're that out of touch with our country. 40% of eligble voters didn't vote, I'm betting most of these voters are 'regular folk'. Dems outplayed the GOP with their get-out-the-vote machine. To his tactical credit, O zeroed in on minorities, immigrants, gays, single women etc.

The solution? Mandatory voting.

Posted by: adb on November 7, 2012 10:36 PM
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