Most Americans oppose a "public option," whose bill won't be optional, on health insurance. Most Democrats in Congress support it. After signaling a retreat from the public option over the weekend, President Obama is again siding with the Democrats rather than the Americans on the public option--until his approval numbers, and those on his health care plan, slide even lower. Then he'll reconsider again, or, if he doesn't, voters in 2010 will reconsider the ballots they cast for Democrats in last year's elections.

Even in a town hall crowd of his own very liberal and supposedly loyal constituents, Barney Frank got beat up. You know the masses are pizzed when the moonbats are on the war path against anybody not named Bush.

Well Arizona Congressman Raul Grijalva held a "Health care forum" in my town today.
He picked a space that was small to limit the number of people he'd have to face and all questions had to be written down ahead of time of which they picked the one's he'd answer.

The results were similar to what's happened around the country. The money quote from Grijalva though was made to a reporter after the event.

""At some point, some of the opponents have to accept the fact that Barack Obama is president and deal with it, and they don't have to like it, but they have to accept it."

One of the local stations, doing their usual in depth reporting, after airing the story then did a live, in studio interview with a local doctor who supports obamacare, done by a reporter who did also.

I photoshoped the studio logo, took out the peacock and put in the Obama logo and sent it to the news director as a suggestion:)
We'll see if I get a response.

NO CO-OP'S! A Little History Lesson

Young People. America needs your help.

More than two thirds of the American people want a single payer health care system. And if they cant have a single payer system 76% of all Americans want a strong government-run public option on day one (85% of democrats, 71% of independents, and 60% republicans). Basically everyone.

Our last great economic catastrophe was called the Great Depression. Then as now it was caused by a reckless, and corrupt Republican administration and republican congress. FDR a Democrat, was then elected to save the nation and the American people from the unbridled GREED and profiteering, of the unregulated predatory self-interest of the banking industry and Wallstreet. Just like now.

FDR proposed a Government-run health insurance plan to go with Social Security. To assure all Americans high quality, easily accessible, affordable, National Healthcare security. Regardless of where you lived, worked, or your ability to pay. But the AMA riled against it. Using all manor of scare tactics, like Calling it SOCIALIZED MEDICINE!! :-0

So FDR established thousands of co-op's around the country in rural America. And all of them failed. The biggest of these co-op organizations would become the grandfather of the predatory monster that all of you know today as the DISGRACEFUL GREED DRIVEN PRIVATE FOR PROFIT health insurance industry. And the DISGRACEFUL GREED DRIVEN PRIVATE FOR PROFIT healthcare industry.

This former co-op would grow so powerful that it would corrupt every aspect of healthcare delivery in America. Even corrupting the Government of the United States.

This former co-op's name is BLUE CROSS/BLUE SHIELD.

Do you see now why even the suggestion of co-op's is ridiculous. It makes me so ANGRY! Co-op's are not a substitute for a government-run public option.

They are trying to pull the wool over our eye's again. Senator Conrad, if you don't have the votes now, GET THEM! Or turn them over to us. WE WILL! DEAL WITH THEM. Why do you think we gave your party Control of the House, Control of the Senate, Control of the Whitehouse. The only option on the table that has any chance of fixing our healthcare crisis is a STRONG GOVERNMENT-RUN PUBLIC OPTION.

An insurance mandate and subsidies without a strong government-run public option choice available on day one would be worse than the healthcare catastrophe we have now. The insurance, and healthcare industry have been very successful at exploiting the good hearts of the American people. But Congress and the president must not let that happen this time. House Progressives and members of the Tri-caucus must continue to hold firm on their demand for a strong Government-run public option.

A healthcare reform bill with mandates and subsidies but without a STRONG government-run public option choice on day one, would be much worse than NO healthcare reform at all. So you must be strong and KILL IT! if you have too. And let the chips fall where they may. You can do insurance reform without mandates, subsidies, or taxpayer expense.

Actually, no tax payer funds should be use to subsidize any private for profit insurance plans. Tax payer funds should only be used to subsidize the public plans. Healthcare reform should be 100% for the American people. Not another taxpayer bailout of the private for profit insurance industry, disguised as healthcare reform for the people.

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You see, spend over a trillion dollars between a phony baloney 'stimulus' program and an unnecessary Omnibus supplemental budget plan and people take scant notice. But start messing with the management of their quality of life and death and the giant awakens.

So how is Social Security and the existing government run healthcare funding agencies in Medicare and Medicaid doing? By all accounts, not very well. Bloated, expensive and still nearly insolvent. Again, one needs to be a bit insane or kind of dumb to think rationed government health care would be any different.

Isn’t it amazing that when Bush was President the V.A. hospitals and the system they run under were a mess but now that the Messiah is in charge of screwing things up, the same V.A. is held up as a model of government efficiency and a ploy for the Dems to take control of our health care.

Amazin’.

And that mean old evil G.W. would once a week quietly and without fanfare visit the military patients at the hospital. Haven’t seen the kinder, more empathetic Democrat do that. But you can bet if he did, it would be with great public announcement and coverage by his media sycophants.

You're absolutely incorrect in stating that most Americans oppose a public, democratized health option.

http://www.kff.org/kaiserpolls/posr082209pkg.cfm

"Kaiser Health Tracking Poll—August 2009

The August Kaiser Health Tracking Poll finds a slim majority of Americans continues to favor moving forward on health care reform now despite an intensifying ad war and a political climate of contentious town hall meetings that coincide with rising concerns about the reform effort.

Fifty-three percent of the public believes that tackling health reform is more important than ever, compared to 42 percent who say we cannot afford to take on health care reform right now. The gap between those points of view has narrowed in recent months as criticisms and doubts about reform plans seem to be registering. Sixty-three percent of the public say they are “hopeful” about reform, 41 percent are “afraid” and 46 percent are simply “confused."

Even with massive corporate propaganda campaigns against a public, democratized choice for Americans, most Americans still want health care reform, if and only if it includes a public option that will lower costs and improve health outcomes. Rasmussen's latest poll states a majority of Americans oppose any reform that doesn't include the public, democratized free-choice option. And that's Rasmussen.

Amazing blog posts on state-corporate collusion and media propaganda on the Taibblog (http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/) and on Glen Greenwald's blog (http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/)

"So how is Social Security and the existing government run healthcare funding agencies in Medicare and Medicaid doing? By all accounts, not very well. Bloated, expensive and still nearly insolvent. Again, one needs to be a bit insane or kind of dumb to think rationed government health care would be any different."

This statement contains misplaced hostility and is poor ana1ysis, unless one doesn't believe that communities should care for their members. Otherwise, if you're serious about budget deficits, you would've been up in arms over the doubling thereof during the Bush years (and an over 20% increase with respect to percentage of GDP), and the corporate subsidies to war profiteers and the private health cartel tyranny (Medicare part D, $3 trillion War on Terror). The public, democratized option has a cost-reducing function. What's the free-market fundamentalist hyperpartisan solution to an "insolvent" (this is factually inaccurate, btw) Medicare and Social Security system? Scrap it, or they don't have one, which means the deaths of thousands and millions in poverty. Just what gets the hateful state-corporate apologists salivating.

Yet more statistical evidence that your statement is factually inaccurate:

"More than three out of every four Americans feel it is important to have a "choice" between a government-run health care insurance option and private coverage, according to a public opinion poll released on Thursday (8-20-2009).

A new study by SurveyUSA puts support for a public option at a robust 77 percent, one percentage point higher than where it stood in June."

Further on...

"To ensure that its respondent pool was composed of people from similar demographics and political mindsets, SurveyUSA asked respondents a question pulled directly from NBC's August survey. The results were nearly identical.

Read a description of the president's health care plan, 51 percent of Survey USA respondents said they "favored" the approach, while 43 percent opposed it. In the NBC poll, 53 percent of respondents said they favored the president's plan, 43 percent said they supported it."

This tells us that the public option is more popular and important to the polity than the president's policy (whatever that is, we don't have anything concrete yet). A public, democratized free choice is supported by 3/4 of the polity.

Proof? And you cite poll and survey numbers as proof?

Let’s consider the typical ‘poll’ or ‘survey’ population is 1,000 and the results of that ‘poll’ or ‘survey’ are based on questionnaires from that slice of the populace. And depending on who is handling the questions and the answers to those queries, what kind of slant the numbers will represent.

Now let’s consider the flood of angry active in the flesh respondents taking time out of their work day (or, in the case of current event, their unemployment) to show up at public forums and overwhelmingly speak out against the House and Senate’s (the President doesn’t have one) government rationed healthcare plan are in the multi thousands of citizens. Additionally, the White House and Congress have again been overwhelmed with phone calls and emails communicating opposition.

The grassroots groundswell of opposition to anybody in government messing with our health – a.k.a. : life and death decisions – clearly outweighs any polling numbers. So we have lies, damned lies and statistics against the reality of a majority of very upset Americans.

"Let’s consider the typical ‘poll’ or ‘survey’ population is 1,000 and the results of that ‘poll’ or ‘survey’ are based on questionnaires from that slice of the populace. And depending on who is handling the questions and the answers to those queries, what kind of slant the numbers will represent."

Who gets polled? People with house phones. They are likely to be older people not in touch with technology or mainstream opinion. How does that 'skew' the numbers? Probably towards the right.

But really, if you took a statistics class, you would know that statistical measures account for sample size, so it wouldn't matter if it were a N=10,000,000 or N=100.

How about we just disregard every poll that doesn't suit your agenda? Sounds convenient enough...

"The grassroots groundswell of opposition to anybody in government messing with our health – a.k.a. : life and death decisions – clearly outweighs any polling numbers."

You don't get it do you. That 'groundswell of opposition' are ignorant americans like you and I that are parroting what someone has told them to think. They are not relevant. They do not reflect popular opinion.

Those with the best grip on the situation stray from inflammatory remarks unlike your protesters because they recognize that there are no right answers on this one, only difficult realities to face in both directions. For these reasons, those with a grip on the big picture aren't going to town hall meetings screaming "There is no right answer! There is no right answer!"

Maybe the right answer is to kill oneself.