Has there ever been a more hollow taunt than homosexual activists accusing anyone who opposes any aspect of their political agenda with the "hater" tag? In Palm Springs, malevolent homosexual activists assaulted an old woman and stomped on her cross (watch the disturbing video). Tolerance? Diversity? Understanding? Baloney. This act of barbarism was not just an assault on a person, but on free-speech rights and democracy as well. Fellas, Californians voted (twice) and you lost. You can't have your hate and eat it too.

A congregation was invaded recently and the similar stuff was perpetrated. If people ever decided to use my church as a stage to do some pseudo bulls#@t street theater, I don't think I'd turn the other cheek as many in that place did.

This stuff wouldn't have happened even 20 years ago as political correctness had not yet made us the spineless rudderless wimps we have become.

Yeah, I'd like to see them try that up in WV. No, seriously. I would LIKE to see them try that, it would be fun to kick their asses.

"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the LORD!!! when I lay my vengeance upon thee." - Jules Winnfield

Those little limp wristed cowards wouldn't have the guts to attempt that type of cowardice,in any southern state. They may try but they will end up in the local ER or perhaps even an extended stay in the local hospital's ICU.
Even better, why don't those fairies pull the same stunt in front of a mosque? You know good and well that none of those muslims voted for ammendment 8. Fear is the reason why they didn't do it.
Why didn't those sweeties demonstrate in front of some black churches in south central LA? The black community voted 70% against the ammendment and consider, the fact the homo community is making an attempt to make a comparison between civil rights battles and the battle to legalize gay marriage.

Stop the fear, stop the finger pointing, stop the hatred, look at your own lives, contemplate your guns and religion, question everything, and Daniel write about equally heinous acts committed against innocent muslims by the right or stop the sensationalized media that tells people what to think like you always preach about.

for example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak6jF-3-4M0

try something not sensationalized to get the blood boiling against our brethren:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xlwc0mE0lCU

Isn't it special when lefties don't like the conversation and it represents an opposing point of view, it must be 'hatred' or 'fear'?

Weak.

Also i'm known very very well for pulling large pieces of furniture out of my ass.

Sweetie, I'm the best.

Folks: Don't post under the internet handles of other posters. It's bad blog etiquette. Horse can confirm this, but I'm pretty sure that the above post attributed to horse is from a horse imposter. I realize this is perhaps obvious to many readers, it may not be to other readers and is also unfair to horse.

Dan,
go right to the source and ask the horse, he'll give you the answer that you'll endorse.

Don't put words into Horse's mouth.

"Isn't it special when lefties don't like the conversation and it represents an opposing point of view, it must be 'hatred' or 'fear'?"

No, I don't like the conversation when it revolves around endorsing hate crimes, whether against religions or sexual orientation. Saying "No, seriously. I would LIKE to see them try that, it would be fun to kick their asses." and "I don't think I'd turn the other cheek as many in that place did." is fear and hate based. I am not pulling this out of thin air.

Nor do I like media telling me what to think such as this article. It intentionally only discusses the heinous acts of a minority you already hate, rather than an insightful discussion to bad things that are perpetrated by people who look like you, talk like you, think like you do and pray like you do.

Know what's really funny horsesass? You had no problem posting lots of hate and fear when it was convenient for you to trash Bush and/or the Republicans and write defensive mistruths about your Messiah.

But, as a famous movie colonel once uttered, you can't handle the truth.

So, again, we see the left shocked and awed that a real time video document and accompanying story exposes some gay leftist radical reprobates as insulting and physically assaulting an old lady and others and you look at opposing responses as hate and fear.

We're not all that stupid. Yet.

You people (crazy liberals that is) are so warped. You need serious help. And if you can't see what's wrong with that picture than you are truly lost.

If people like you and yours want the benefit of the doubt, you have to start acting sane and somewhat civil and if you intend to give it, you have to be able to take it.

i wish these homos would parade down main street in my town. i would get out my black hoodie and mask and have me some fun.

I was at the first St. Patrick's day parade where the gay pride brigade got a court order to march. That didn't last long after.

It wasn't that they were gay and marching that bothered most people. It was the lude street thearter that was performed as they marched.

Again, if they want to be accepted, just act like people. But, if you're looking for effect, you could get a beer and a beaten.

One other thing. In the United States of America, when one group loses or doesn't get their way, they don't act like animals or criminals.

Obama won and a lot of people were pretty upset about it but you didn't see rioting in the streets (except in Chicago).

So, these people have no right to act up.

We're not a Banana Republic. Yet.

"You had no problem posting lots of hate and fear when it was convenient for you to trash Bush and/or the Republicans and write defensive mistruths about your Messiah."

Find me one. Bush lied, not once, not twice, but hundreds of times, that is true. Is it really fear mongering to tell brain dead republicans that they have been hoodwinked by their fearless leader?

And I never defended Jesus, prick. I just called you a racist, but that is also true. I know that you have A Slight Deficit in Function, but you need to listen to your own words and try and look at yourself for once. You are the most guilty of spreading derogatory remarks about anyone who disagrees with you.

OMG is it a surprise that there are angry and violent gay people? NO! Is it a surprise that White christians attack innocent Muslims? NO! The story is not news, it is sensationalized to get your heart rate up about a group you already despise. What's next? An illegal immigrant that killed a child? OMG, I have to hear about that!!! I hate illegals!!! There has never been an illegal that did anything productive, EVER!!! Lets kill'em all!!!

"One other thing. In the United States of America..."

As opposed to the united states of mexico, or what, because I was confused by your jingoist pragmatics.

"when one group loses or doesn't get their way, they don't act like animals or criminals."

What about the Boston Tea Party (1773), New Jersey Tennant Riots (1746), Philadelphia Election Riot (1742), Boston Anti-Impressment Riot (1747), Boston Massacre (1770), Anti-Abolitionist Riot (1834), Five Points Riots (1835), The REVOLUTIONARY WAR, THE CIVIL WAR!!!, Watts, Chicago DNC, and so many more.

If you check your history books you would have your facts straight before you look like an idiot. Oh wait, it's cool to be an idiot these days.

Hey Horse,you like most leftists are intellectually lazy and there is no better display than playing the "hate" card on those people or opinions you disagree with, the same way the left is committed to silencing all opposing voices to their indefensible policies.

Again, take my advice and go experience the real world in person as opposed to believing the losers that hang around in most faculty lounges may be educated but their not wise. There is a difference. Everything you know or claim to know is nothing but a fantasy, you read in some book or books.
You are so naive it's ridiculous and laughable, you are either a 60's era loser still hiding in the bubble of a college campus or someone who is very young and hasn't grown up.

Every single thing you advocate, has been tried and failed.

The left claims Bill Clinton was respected by the "international community",however, that didn't prevent AQ from their continous assaults on US interests. That's a fact you conviently never mention. If you are naive enough to believe Islamic barabrians can be reasoned with or appeased, then you have a long way to go before you become a mature man. I would be ashamed of getting on a board and posting rehased policies that have failed time and time again.

I have spent several years fighting Islamic terrorists and I can assure you, they can neither be appeased or reasoned with, regardless of what some college professors states.

Either grow up and experience what these people are like and then your words may carry some credibility.

If you care so much about the world, what have you done to make things better? Have you donated money or volunteered to go to those countries as an aide worker?

Then again, the left really has never cared about solving problems, only that warm fuzzy feeling they get in their tummies when they say they care.

Absolutely pathetic, last time I checked no one prevents US citizens from relocating to Europe,Canada, or Pakistan. Why don't you take that option?
Like it or not, the US is a center right country and no matter how much you dream about some utopia on earth, that only can be accomplished by "social justice", "caring" and other meaningless words and intentions.

If you don't like the country, feel free to leave, no one will prevent it nor will most give a rats behind.

You have done nothing that indicates to me,that you have actually experienced the real world and what a dangerous place it cane be,regardless of how much you hug thugs or tell them we are all "brothers" You will either be beheaded or laughed out of the room.

Regardless of the facts, some people can't stop guzzling the kool aid.

P.S. Give up playing the "hate" card, it is getting old and only shows you intellectual laziness.

"I would be ashamed of getting on a board and posting rehased policies that have failed time and time again."

So what are you all really doing on this board?

"If you care so much about the world, what have you done to make things better? Have you donated money or volunteered to go to those countries as an aide worker?"

I am a social worker, yes I do affect the world in a positive way. I learned Spanish to help those who fall through the cracks in our country, as well as open the opportunity to help a country less fortunate than ours. I also have a career goal of joining the World Health Organization, so, I am actually doing something. And yes, I have walked the red dirt roads of Mexico in 'dangerous' parts of town where the buildings have no walls and everyone stares in hatred at white people, why?, to learn in the intention of reducing poverty for people less fortunate than I.

As for "Then again, the left really has never cared about solving problems, only that warm fuzzy feeling they get in their tummies when they say they care."

my sarcastic response is 'Then again, the right really has never cared about solving problems, only that their corporate interests are fulfilled and that pocket books full.'

and for "If you don't like the country, feel free to leave, no one will prevent it nor will most give a rats behind."

wow, the good ole' 9/11 philosophy... we were anti Iraq war from day one and you told us to leave. Then we uncover that your admin. intentionally lied to the nation over 1000 times, and that AQI was never in Iraq to begin with, and that Saddam never had WMDs, yet we were wrong and we should leave? Get a life jarhead.

TEM,

you previously said, "...you would know why AQ attacked the US, they believed the uS was too weak and lacked the will to fight them on the battlefield."

I don't know what they brain-washed you with, but we are viewed as infidels who oppress(they are not too far off either), not some flimsy easily overtaken enemy. We are morally lower than they are in their eyes. There are not enough bombs when everytime you kill one, you prove their point and grow two. VIETNAM. Fantasia (the brooms). When you turn your back on the world, like Darfur, you will suffer the consequences. The tribal factions of Afganastan created an environment of uneducation, oppression and religious indoctrination under the guise 'you should listen to and respect your elders'.

That sounds a lot like what you are trying to tell me, huh, to listen to you because you are older and know more, huh? Because the military, the most authoritarian intritution in our country, shows you what really happens in life, bringing you to a state of nirvana and enlightment? or tells you what to think about everything?

I don't just blindly follow what the media tells me, what mr. flynn tells me, or what my government tells me. That's why I was against the war to begin with. I may be wrong, but I found my own conclusions. As well, I consider working for 33-50% of what I could be making as a pretty big donation to poor people in my community.

People like ASDF said they don't care about them, left them to suffer, and bred hatred. This is not an Islam problem. This is a 'We are a bunch of ass holes' problem. We need to change from being selfish ass holes to supporting the poorest of the poor, like we failed so miserably with the Tsunami ("The United States has pledged $350 million in relief assistance.... " http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/tsunami/ ... that is LESS than the size of a CEO parachute:http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1841989)

Face it you and I are ass holes. The only difference is that I am trying to change that.

"reprobates"= douche speak, hypocrite.

"Every single thing you advocate, has been tried and failed."

You do not know all that I advocate. What if I advocate giving all Iraqis cotton candy? or how about... just divide up all the military money we have thus far spent, between all citizens and you get about $20,000 per Iraqi. Has that been tried? You are ignorant to that privy information and so much more.

I do not claim to know everything and be all correct, I encourage self exploration however and feel as though the names, hate, and philosophies that you ALL sling should be reflected upon to check for self projection on to 'libral zombies' like me. Sure I was right about Iraq, but that was a gut feeling that Saddam was bluffing and Bush was lying, but look what happened.

What would have happened if we just waited for the UN weapons inspectors to finish their investigation. I realize they were being stalled, but that is what diplomacy and sanctions are for, not hand grenades and F-22s. Have Syria and Saudi Arabia lean on them for christ's sake, but don't just oust the guy keeping the shit storm together.

Horse
"I am a social worker, yes I do affect the world in a positive way...to help a country less fortunate than ours." Dude I don't know who the F*&K writes your pay check but you should be fired. You are a social worker, which should mean you are working for your community which is for citizens of this country (that would be the United States and more specifically the state in which you reside). You need to start thinking locally.

"[L]isten to you because you are older and know more, huh? Because the military, the most authoritarian institution in our country..." This line of reasoning shows your inexperience and lack of understanding. It also speaks to your insecurities and poor education regarding the military. Invest some time and learn a bit before you insult people who have chosen a different line of work. A line of work that ensures that you can choose your own lifestyle. And again with regard to the military insult you just threw... Don't you think it is good that the military is fairly apolitical? While the military does learn toward a more conservative government, 75% for McCain, they do listen to the Commander in Chief no matter who that is. Whether the CINC is former Pres. Clinton, Bush or soon to be Obama. The military is not your enemy and continuing to treat them that way will only cause you problems and a bloody mouth f you insult one in a bar. (Not a threat, just an estimation based on your disdain and contempt for those who want to serve their COUNTRY in a different way that you think they should.

"I don't just blindly follow what the media tells me, what Mr. Flynn tells me, or what my government tells me. That's why I was against the war to begin with." If that is the only reason that you were against the "war" than you need some more education. While I am NOT against this war, I am against morons who don't perceive that some good is coming of it on a local level. If you want to know more than I can tell you after I slam you, Horse, a bit more.

"We need to change from being selfish ass holes to supporting the poorest of the poor, like we failed so miserably with the Tsunami" It actually cost more to send "the most authoritarian institution in our country" (that would be the Marine Expeditionary Unit) to help that country with rescue and relief efforts. Think and research before you speak.

"Get a life jarhead." Hmm. How do I respond to this? Well let's see. You throw insults around as if that makes your point. It doesn't. Civil discourse is just that. CIVIL!!! You vindictiveness and asinine behavior speak to your immaturity. And I have no idea how old you are! Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean that I need to insult you.

But by all means... I don't want to limit your freedom of speech. I just want you to make a well reasoned and educated argument. Please try to make an argument that doesn't insult another's view point. And blaming the other party for starting it is rather... immature.

"This line of reasoning shows your inexperience and lack of understanding."

You know what authoritarian means, right, as for affecting the world... I can simultaneously help my community and be helping the world. There are many levels of community too, check out ecological systems theory.

"You need to start thinking locally."

I think it is just the opposite. We all need to start thinking bigger as the world gets smaller (tecnology), our actions have a potential for greater impact, we just have to exercise it.

"It actually cost more to send... "
Great, then send it.

"A line of work that ensures that you can choose your own lifestyle."

Wha, wha, WHAT? Like stoploss'ed, get PTSD, TBI, and maybe lose a limb? Is that a chosen lifestyle? Last I checked, you have to be an 'intellectual' to do much carrer movement. The vast majority of officers (95%) come out of College ROTC programs after graduation? (http://www.defenselink.mil/prhome/poprep2002/chapter3/c3_education.htm) It appears most of the people writing on this board are against that these days.

The jarhead line was over the top, and I apologize. I do respect the soldiers but not bush. I think he has done our service men and women a grave disservice, and that the sacrafice could be better handled. I also admit that positive things are happening in Iraq along with the negative, however, when military people try and tell people like me that I 'have to join and serve to figure out life' or something like that, I puke in my mouth a little.

If I were to learn another language it would probably be Arabic, then I would help a poor Arab community which in turn makes them not want to kill Americans. Am I a bastard for helping another country? or am I actually a bigger help to our country building bridges with other countries?

I don't need to shake hands with a guy or tap his phone to know he wants to kill me, but I do need to talk to him to figure out why, and maybe do something about it then without killing.

Surprising how people who are charged with giving away the money of people who work to people who don't have such high minded opinions of themselves as if they are noble.

Based on the rap, should have figured that 'social worker' was this maroon's occupation.

ASDF, check yourself first, that "money of people who work" is called a donation. We also have a HUD grant for those that lost work then found new work, and a FEMA grant for once a year assistance. The majority of funding comes from those who work and willingly give to the cause of "people who don't" because they are compassionate, not socialists. And, yes, people pay me to give money to those who don't have work or that can't work. Does that piss you off? Could there be extenuating circumstances (cancer, loss of limb, pregnancy) where people don't work? Maroon!

What's your occupation ASDF? Huh, corporate 'yes' man? Do you wear a tie every day? Do you surround yourself with those that make you feel the most comfortable, or do you handle tragic stories like I do all day? And to say I do it for the warm fuzzy feeling, if that were the case I would get a corporate job and buy a hooker if that's what I'm after. I prefer to turn lives around and pull people out of a ditch.

I hope you get sick one day, lose your job, piss off a social worker, and become homeless because no one would give you help. You talk like you are invincible, but you are just as fallible as the rest of us, and one day you will need help to survive. It is not a matter of if, but when.

"Surprising how people...have such high minded opinions of themselves as if they are noble."

How do you affect the world? How do you live the chrisitan message? How do you make you mark on the world? Are you a giver or a taker? How do you sleep with yourself? How do you keep from killing yourself? Have you done one charitable act this year, or do you willingly walk over those less fortunate than yourself, attributing their situation to the idea that 'they want to be there'?

I posted the Jerky Boys quote. Won't happen again. Apologies to horse, and everyone else for the breach of blog etiquette.

In closing, learn from my mistakes: Don't feed the trolls.

http://actingdirector.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/troll-movie.jpg

Had an idea it was the Fongster. Very funny. Love the Jerkies.

Bet you wear little short shorts when you're on the construction site too.

But I don't go that way.

Well, I thought sterotype humor was always funny and appropriate. Who knew?

BTW, if you're with a company that's hiring, let me know.

"Everything you know or claim to know is nothing but a fantasy, you read in some book or books."

TEM,
Were the facts that I linked to fantasy, because it came from a .MIL website? What does that say about you, someone who gets all their 'reliable' information from your 'higer-ups'.

Is scientific peer reviewed emperical research fantasy? Because it reads a lot different than Harry Potter and your field op. manual. You have got to stop reading the OpEd pieces man, that stuff really is just fantasy.

You know horsey, I'm not nervous, I don't worry too much and I don't too often get really hyperactive about things so I sleep very well at night thank you. Sounds like you might be foisting your own neurosis on me.

I will admit to being passionate about some things but that would be my business how and why I choose to be. But overall, I'm not crazy. I think that's my ace in the hole in life.

From the content of what and how you write, it seems clear that you are demonstrating some classic examples of being crazy. But, you're a rampant liberal do-gooder, so I understand and to an extent will give you a pass.

I think one of many indicators of LDS is the idea that some people have that when they give things away that are not their own that they are somehow doing God's (or, should I now say Obama's) redistributive work. Classic. Thus your belief that you are somehow living the "christian message".

Let me close this particular post by saying that I have some experience with the less fortunate and there are some who certainly need the help. But for every one of those, there are three who are perfectly able to work and make money to support themselves.

But 6 Trillion dollars later and 45 years of failed government programs since the Great Society was started, have created an underclass of fat, lazy, semi-literate, tattooed, be-jeweled layabouts, many of whom anchor-baby their way into being on the public rolls for life.

So, please spare me the compassion card.

"But overall, I'm not crazy. I think that's my ace in the hole in life."

Wow. you are a real winner, aren't you.

you never answered my questions...How do you make you mark on the world? Have you done one charitable act this year, or do you willingly walk over those less fortunate than yourself, attributing their situation to the idea that 'they want to be there'? What's your occupation ASDF? Huh, corporate 'yes' man? Do you wear a tie every day? Do you surround yourself with those that make you feel the most comfortable, or do you handle tragic stories like I do all day?

So I am going to be a 'Libral Zombie', and assume that I am correct until you show me different.

"From the content of what and how you write, it seems clear that you are demonstrating some classic examples of being crazy."

Are you a psychologist or just an ass hole?

"when they give things away that are not their own that they are somehow doing God's (or, should I now say Obama's) redistributive work. "

If not for people like me, there would be no one to man the food pantry, assess tramatic situations, prevent evictions, reconnect heat in the winter, work for a fraction of what they could be making, etc., but yet I am the selfish person. You are so full of yourself. I do this for fun? Does it seem fun to make so little money in social work that I almost qualify for our own food pantry? If it does to you, then you need to reexamine who seems crazy? If it seems so fun, maybe you should try it sometime!

I am agnostic, and live the christian message better than homophobic zombie pope followers.

"But 6 Trillion dollars later and 45 years of failed government programs since the Great Society was started"

So, let me guess, you were happy with 5 of 8 of the presidents you talk about that brought us into the ditch.

The cumulative debt of the United States in the past 8 completed fiscal years was approximately $4.3 trillion, or about 43% of the total national debt of ~$10.0 trillion as of September 2008.
(http://www.bea.gov/national/index.htm#gdp)

So you can thank W. for 2/3 of what you blame. Try again.

Horse- "Hug a Thug" it works everytime or at least in your sheltered world.
Why has western Europe became so weak and irrelevant? Afterall,they implemented all your wonderful ideas about 50 years ago.
If you consider that success, then you are the one incapable of thinking.

Tell me one instance were socialism has worked.you can't becuase it only protects worthless beauracrats like yourself,along with the misery,poverty,and shame it heeps on it's citizens.

Since your doublespeak indicates you are a big fan of George Orwell, perhaps you have heard of this quote,
"We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm"- George Orwell

I don't think a hug from a social worker has ever proven to be an effective tool to keeping the homeland safe.

You seem to think that government spending can cure all ills, then why are the public schools declining in direct proportion to the money spent by the federal government?
Why do all the lefties who potray themselves as "champions" of public education, send their own children to private schools?
Why do union bosses do the same?

Obama claims to be a champion for public education,however,his actions speak differently.
His daughters have always attended expensive private schools.
Other than meaningless words,along with their good intentions,and wasted tax dollars the left has really helped the poor, over 40 years of government's help have resulted in inner cities resembling war zones, poor children attending 3rd world quality schools,and the complete breakdown of the family structure.

Like I have stated, believing in government's effectiveness in solving problems is akin to a 40 year old man still believing in the tooth fairy.

If you are in fact, a social worker, you should know that most poverty is caused by poor decisons made by individuals.

P.S. Has anyone else noticed that most of the poor in the US are obese? Then I have to hear the plastic-faced, air head, Nancy Pelosi talk about millions of Americans starving to death.
That may be partially accurate if you factor in the drug addicts who take their money and put it up their noses, arms, or smoke it away.
Again, life is all about personal choices and why should others, who work hard,make good decisions, be forced to pay for others irresponsibilty. That's why conservatives give a much higher percentage of their disposable income to charaties, than those lefties,who believe their caring words are a substitute for action and results.

BTW, I know all about you and your kind, I spent my years of service protecting all those "caring" state department types.
I also notice you continually fail to mention the UN's role in the Iraq war and it's inability to enforce it's own security resolutions.
You know like the rest of the left, that the UN is a completely irrelevant,corrupt,anti-American organization.

This seems to be a spirited little debate. Unfortunatly for horse he is getting slammed left and right and correctly.
""It actually cost more to send... "
Great, then send it."
We did! Check out the news.

Even Obama went to private school in Hawaii from 5th grade on. Then on to Occidental College and Columbia. Private all.

How is it that the leftist masses keep thinking that Obama was down for da' struggle? Or that he has ever been or ever will be close to them?

Obama is a pampered elitist. He was lucky enough to grow up in an era where race had become a hypersensitive subject and reaped the benefits of a society bowing to render preferences to people of color and he was smart enough to take advantage of that.

I would wager that he's never worked hard for anything in his life and has been the recipient of enormously lopsided opportunity.

So it should not surprise anybody that the man who will have no problem using other people's money to posture and show that he's such caring person is a multi millionaire politician whose kids would never attend school systems that he professes to care so much about.

"Tell me one instance were socialism has worked."

I never promoted socialism.

I don't believe dollar bills will solve everything either. Like I said, without people like me on the front lines, there would be no one to assess and qualify people for assistance. You need people to back up the dollars.

As for education, a lot of people talk about $ per pupil as being an indicator of education quality, but that is blatantly false when the quality of education and teachers is by no means equal. Historically, the gov. has supported this inequality until 1969. Not enough has changed in the last 39 years when so many public schools still look segregated, and have lower graduation rates than privy white schools.

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." -Orwell

"I also notice you continually fail to mention the UN's role in the Iraq"

What, like picking up the pieces of a careless invasion under false pretenses.

"believing in government's effectiveness in solving problems is akin to..."

Who do you trust? Enron? Cheney? Karl Rove?

"Has anyone else noticed that most of the poor in the US are obese? "

How about, Has anyone else noticed that most of the poor in the US don't have equal access to quality fruits, vegetables and other commodities? When you are restricted to a bus line, it is hard to make it to the fancy suburb grocery store for starters.

"That's why conservatives give a much higher percentage of their disposable income to charaties, than those lefties,who believe their caring words are a substitute for action and results."

Like I said, I think %50 of my salary is a pretty good donation.

"If you are in fact, a social worker, you should know that most poverty is caused by poor decisons made by individuals."

Tell that to the elderly woman with diabetes on section 8 and disability who can't afford her light bill with what the government provides. Or the 12 year old with leukemia who just died yesterday.

"We did! Check out the news."

Like I listed a link to? $350 Million... give me a break. The red cross alone raised One Billion after Katrina, which was a fraction of the damage done by the Tsunami.

"Unfortunatly for horse he is getting slammed left and right and correctly."

What getting lectured by some government operative on how I must be brain dead because I believe that poor people deserve a chance and a hand up. If I am getting 'slammed', ha, you guys are fools. You haven't raised a valid point yet (unless you include that zinger about the furniture up the ass, boy that was a good one.) and I have many unanswered questions out there.

p.s. if you are still watching the jerky boys, you need to turn it off because there is a new blue collar t.v. on right now!

Is it me, or is a bit of a stretch to compare gays protesting when they didn't get their way on California Question 8 with the Boston Massacre, The Revolutionary War and The Civil War? I thought so.

I was responding to an equally obtuse point that Americans have never committed violence when we didn't get our way. I was using his universal generalization against him.

"In the United States of America, when one group loses or doesn't get their way, they don't act like animals or criminals."

Not dumb necessarily, but very thick headed and not contemplated before written. I could throw out a Lee Harvey Oswald line out there just as easily as the revolutionary war.

First of all Horse, I never served in the marines,even though I have enormous respect for them,especially after the cleaning job they did in Fallujah,they made "martyrs" out of the followers of radical Islam.
I served in an intelligence branch of the US Army and yes, not all of those who serve are uneducated,like that coward John Kerry claims. Actually,I have a masters degree in Economics,so I do know a bit more than Obama,who has never held a job in the private sector his entire adult life.
You pick out 2 examples of individuals who do benefit from the saftey net,however,you neglect to mention the vast number of drug heads,lazy,high school dropouts,and those 20 year olds working on delivering their 3rd child.
I lived in New Orleans for 5 years and those individuals we all saw stranded are largely the result of a "compassionate" government, 4th and 5th generations of government dependants,those leftist like you have put on Uncle Sams Plantation and as a result,they are not even capable of taking care of their most basic needs.
Believe it or not, the breakdown of the family unit has done more to cause poverty and crime in the inner city,mostly due to the left and their desire for total power. IMO, they are peddling government dependancy in the same manner the corner heroin dealer peddles his poison. They both ruin lives, create powerand money for the pushers,and neither really care about the lives they ruin.

I have to call BS on your claim of donating 50% of your take home pay to charities. The only way you would be capable of doing that is if you are a trust fund baby.

I also have to call BS on your claim of walking into poverty and drug infested neighborhoods in Mexico,only armed with kind words and good intentions.
You wouldn't walk out alive if you attempted that in the housing projects of New Orleans,Houston,Atlanta,Memphis,Philadelphia,etc.
Even if you did master the Arabic language,I doubt if you would ever leave a west bank Palestinian refugee camp alive.

It appears to me,that your job consists primarily of trying to add individuals to the government dole and expand the destructiveness of the welfare state.

P.S. You neglected to mention why the welfare or nanny state has been a miserable failure in western Europe. The misguided belief that France,Germany,or most traditional European allies (exempt the British) are remotely capable of battling the Islamic extremist. They are getting creamed in Afghanistan and the intelligence community realizes this fact along with the cold, hard truth,that the old thinking of multilaterialism is completely dead.

western Europe will surrender what few liberties they still have,all because they don't have the will to confront jihad.

Horse if you think that Bush was evil, try living under sharia law. Then you will find out what intolerance is all about.

What exactly would you say to the Iranian mullahs to prevent them from developing sophisticated nuclear weapons capability.
Even the French diplomats have stated, that it is a waste of time to hold talks with the Iranians. They are and have been playing the international community for fools,all the while,buying time to develop nuclear arms capability.

If you would like to educate yourself on econmics,I would suggest you read Milton Friedman's classic book, "Free to Choose" or FA Hayek's book " Road to Serfdom". That will give you a good start and both books are much more factual than the garbage that most 3rd rate fishwraps like the NYT's,Washington Post,or LA Times publish.

"not all of those who serve are uneducated"

like I said, 95% of officers have a B.A./B.S. I am glad we agree.

"You pick out 2 examples of individuals who do benefit from the saftey net"

I deal with more legitimate cases than abusers. I send the abusers away. The agencies in my city share an electronic archive of services rendered. I know who gets what, thanks, and I know who needs it and who is trying to better themselves.

"you neglect to mention the vast number of drug heads..."

Yes, however drug dependency is a disease, which is well accepted throughout the medical community, as was published in the American Journal of Medicine. I'm sorry your cuello rojo can't understand that just yet.

"A joint 1990 report of the Committee
of the American Society of Addiction Medicine and National Council on Alcoholism and
Drug Dependence provided a detailed description of alcoholism as a disease" www.hazelden.org/web/public/document/bcrup_0898.pdf

"Believe it or not, the breakdown of the family unit has done more to cause poverty and crime in the inner city,mostly due to the left and their desire for total power."

This just reeks of right wing propaganda. Did the democrats make the divorce rate over 50% or is that just Henry VIII's fault? If the breakdown of the 'family unit' is to be blamed, then why not have responsible and loving homosexual couples that can get married and lovingly adopt children that can't be taken care of by 'normal' people.

"They both ruin lives, create powerand money for the pushers,and neither really care about the lives they ruin."

That's why Clinton initiated a welfare to work program and eliminated lifelong entitlement?

"I have to call BS on your claim of donating 50% of your take home pay to charities."

I have two degrees and am bilingual. If I went to work in the private sector I could with out a doubt take home 40K. Working in a nonprofit I have chosen to make less than 20K a year in an effort to put myself in a position to help people.

If I had a child or wife that doesn't work, I would qualify for food stamps and our agency's services that I provide. In 2008 150% of FPL is $21,084 for a family of two.

Far from the silver spoon you mention, I chose pubic College.

"I also have to call BS on your claim of walking into poverty and drug infested neighborhoods in Mexico"

Cool, whatever, since I haven't made anything up so far... try and pretend like you know me.

"Even the French diplomats have stated, that it is a waste of time to hold talks with the Iranians."

Why would you waste your time listening to a bunch of socialists?

"If you would like to educate yourself on econmics..."

Hummm, coming from the anti-intellectual side of the argument, this sounds like the same thing liberals get called 'elitist' for. It sucks to get made fun of for learning, doesn't it mr. know-it-all.

"I would suggest you read Milton Friedman's classic book"

Great, another Ayn Rand lemming. Prosperity through selfishness. How original of you. Skip this sentence and give yourself a pat on the back for your selfishness.

"Find me one."

I am still watiting. On this and a lot more.

"Horse if you think that Bush was evil, try living under sharia law. Then you will find out what intolerance is all about."

Remember when he said that this would be a lot easier if this were a dictatorship, and he were the dictator. Don't hesitate for a moment that he wasn't being serious, and that if he had his way, it would be quite similar to Sharia.

"What exactly would you say to the Iranian mullahs to prevent them from developing sophisticated nuclear weapons capability."

I don't have to say anything to the Clerics, of course they would filet me, but they are getting the heaviest preassure from the academic world inside of Iran and Pakastan. They are not a dumb people, but they have been relagated to dogmatic rule for a long time. The intellectual 'progressives' are fighting for and winning slowly but shurely the battle for free thought. They don't ALL hate us: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlMRYaaSrI0

"I have two degrees and am bilingual. If I went to work in the private sector I could with out a doubt take home 40K."

Either you're lying about your qualifications or you've never held a real job so don't know what you're talking about.

I have no college degree and only speak english. I worked as an assistant manager at one time in a department store and made 36k. If I'd stayed with the company long enough to make manager I'd be making 3 or 4 times that.
What are your degree's in, basket weaving and medieval poetry, that you'd only be able to pull in 40k?

Horse, you don't help people by making and keeping them dependent on the government. Yes there are people who really are deserving of the help, the majority however don't deserve it.
If we were allowed to weed out the undeserving it'd solve the money and resource problems for those that need it.
However anytime an attempt is made by us evil conservatives to do it, we're blocked and no real reform is ever done.
If you truly do help people as you claim, good for you, but if you're unwilling to even admit that there are people who don't deserve it, then you're just as much a lost cause as the people you help.

"What are your degree's in, basket weaving and medieval poetry, that you'd only be able to pull in 40k?"

Great, you even reinforce my point. I have two very useful B.A.s and no problem finding work. I am also younger than most of you I assume. I was talking about the first 5 years of making a career, but you still show that I am working for peanuts compared to what I could be filling my pockets with.

"Horse, you don't help people by making and keeping them dependent on the government."

Did I say I do, or that that is help? No. I already talked about a hand up instead of a handout, and also not helping those who abuse the system... catch up with the conversation.

"Yes there are people who really are deserving of the help, the majority however don't deserve it."

I know the sad reality of this all too well. We run an adopt-a-family type program for Christmas where the most needy don't even know it exists, while scandalous people try to convince my that they should get adopted after several consecutive years of receiving, and that this year is different because (insert tragic story here) and I have to say no. Sounds like fun, huh?

"If we were allowed to weed out the undeserving it'd solve the money and resource problems for those that need it."

That is the majority of my current job. The other major part is coordinating services.

"However anytime an attempt is made by us evil conservatives to do it, we're blocked and no real reform is ever done."

The difference between a hatchet and a scalpel.

"If you truly do help people as you claim, good for you, but if you're unwilling to even admit that there are people who don't deserve it, then you're just as much a lost cause as the people you help."

8 Days a week I admit that people abuse the system, that is something I try not to enable or encourage.

Beware the community organizer who would be President....

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/11/obama_fear_and_the_security_fo.html

Taken from your artical: "But the fear is real and the historical allusions are valid."

written after: When Abraham in the Bible was prepared to obey God's command and sacrifice his son Isaac on Mount Moriah, it was, and this may shock some, understandable. God is perfect and the author of morality, and while we may not always understand His ways, the Divine Mind always knows what is best. So the story is a lesson of faith and trust in God. God cannot be wrong. You don't question God.

You are all so full of yourselves that he feels he is the 'savior'. Like I began this thread: "Stop the fear, stop the finger pointing, stop the hatred, look at your own lives, contemplate your guns and religion, question everything,... "

Which includes what makes you comfortable.

p.s.

I am still waiting.

great, now the website is censoring me from responding too soon on other threads. GAy. Good bye A holes. have fun in the fear cave... have fun dying of a heart attack.

No one needs to attack the queers. They do a wonderful job of demonstrating why they are unacceptable to civilized people. They stand for intolerance. hatred, and bigotry. What better example than the big bad queer attacking someone granny.

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Is there any doubt who spams this site?

Someone owning a moniker beginning with 'h'?

Wait until 1-21-09. You'll start to see these kinds forums go away.

See horsesarse, you can't argue with the facts....

http://townhall.com/columnists/MichelleMalkin/2008/11/19/the_insane_rage_of_the_same-sex_marriage_mob