First he came for the gun owners and I did not speak out because I owned a mere water pistol. Then he came for the smokers and I did not speak out because I was not a smoker. Then he came for the trans fats and I did not speat out because I was not a fatso. Then he came for me, and I wuz like: Shazam! Mayor Bloomberg, what took you so long? I's gots tons of bad habits.

Seriously.

People should die early of heart disease.

Its the American way.

Dumbass.

Louisville recently passed a tough anti-smoking ban, except at Churchill Downs, home of the Kentucky Derby.

Now the city council is taking up the trans-fat ban. Wonder if Churchill will be exempt from that too.

When we ask the government to "care of" us, we have to agree to do so by their rules.

Be well,

Sponge

"Seriously.

People should die early of heart disease.

Its the American way.

Dumbass."

Seriously, people should be violently coerced out of doing things you don't personally want them to. Its the American way.

Dumbass.

I just loath the liberal quest (and yes, Bloomberg is the ultimate RINO) to insure that everybody is forced or otherwise coerced into following rules that are good for the few enlightened ones. I suspect New York City has more serious problems than whether or not a trans fat diet will potentially lop a couple of years off someone's life. Even it they choose to have it be that way.

F'ing liberal nazis.

Next up: Get arrested for being outside without a jacket on a cold day.

Wait until they try to pull the next Prohibition on us. It's coming.

Now that the door is cracked for these dweebs, they will work to take away anything that they personally deem dangerous or that insults their sensibilities.

Recently, there is a case here in the land of meddling Libs where a company found nicotine in a guy's random urine sample and fired the guy because they have a no smoking policy on or OFF the job. Thing is, the guy was chewing Nicorette gum to stop smoking. Can you imagine! He's suing the company arguing that nicotine is a legal substance and as long as he's not violating rules at work, they have no right.

Getting crazy out here.

It is getting crazy, what happened to individual accountability and responsibility for our own actions?

Is it even legal for a company to have rules controlling the use of a legal product by someone on their own time?

Heha: Are you saying you agree with this approach of government controlling people's behavior that they deem dangerous, regardless of that behaviors legality?

THAT is the legal question AM. Company thinks so; employee and lawyer don't. Some could correct me on this, but I don't think a legal precedent has been set yet regarding an issue of this kind.

Not only was there no (well, maybe a little) use of the product in question but it's a legal substance and the employee didn't use it on company premises or on company time.

Can't see, unless it impacts work performance, how what an employee does on his or her own time is the business of an employer. But, this IS the Republic and it's definately not a given that any kind of common sense will prevail.

Here's what I think.

I think that if there is a substance in food that millions of people are eating that is resposible for heart disease and cancer...

and

...there are readily available substitutes that are only marignally more expensive but much healthier, than yes the government should require the use of healthier oils.

This is what's called a market failure folks.

Free market economics assumes perfect information, and the fact is that most people don't even know which foods contain trans fats and which don't.

Without this information, consumers cannot make self-interested decisions.

Now, why don't we just require restaurants to disclose trans fats on their foods?

One, that would be just as burdensome as replacing the oils.

Two, there is a further argument for market failure here and that is the unique nature of food.

Food just isn't any product. Its vital for human survival.

People will often eat food that is unhealthy just because their hungary, pressed for time, etc.

I still drive though McDs on road trips just cause there's really no healthy alternitive available.

Its a win-win for everybody. Consumers will be healthier. Taxpayers will pay less for medicare and medicaid. Even the producers will be forced to innovate.

Put down the Hayck, pick up some common sense.

BTW haven't you taxhaters considered that

less heart disease=
less government money spent on healthcare=
the possibility of lower taxes.

???

What about taxpayer rights???

Don't American taxpayers- through their elected representitives- have a right to insist that thier money isn't spent undoing the bad decisions of the food industry?

Are these the same trans fats that were used to replace more natural food substances that Ralph Nader and his crazy ilk decided were healthier than the latter?

Sounds like another Global Cooling / Global Warming fiasco to me.

HA!!!

If you wanna debate global warming again you're on mofo.

These "substances" are just oils like corn oil, soya oil, etc.

Healthier than trans fats.

Anyone: What's Hayck?

HeHe's definition of market failure: When things happen that he doesn't personally approve of.

Thanks HeHe. We already knew that you were a wanna be tyrant, but that pretty much confirms it.

Yes forcing restaurants to serve food that doesn't kill people is tyranny.

And wiretapping people without probable cause and without a warren is what- defending freedom?

Please.

"Yes forcing restaurants to serve food that doesn't kill people is tyranny." -HeHe

Yes, HeHe, engaging in violent coercion against other people to force them to live the way that you want them to is the textbook definition of tyranny.

This is no different, morally, from you breaking into my home, holding me at gunpoint, and forcing me to allow you to inspect my cupboards.

"And wiretapping people without probable cause and without a warren is what- defending freedom?

Please." -HeHe

Oh, right, but I don't support wiretapping.

Oh but I forgot, you're such a monumentally dishonest and disgusting excuse for a human being that you don't even bother to investigate what the views of other people are before you condemn them.

You are the summation of everything you consider conservatism to be.

C'mon people, Hehe knows best. Whats best for us all in these matters. Leave these matters up to people who know what is best for society, why let people or the market place determine what is best for us all, when government can make those decisions for us. Of course backed by Hehes' brand of SCIENCE.

1984

V for Vendetta

THX-1136

Farenheit 451

they don't sound so far fetched anymore.

Be well,

Sponge

Tonight, I'm going to a greasy spoon to eat chilli cheese fries and a big, greasy bacon double cheeseburger. Then I plan on smoking cigars.

The government has no right telling me what I can or cannot put in my body.

Right cuz a restaurant ordinance is a threat to your right to buy sh*itfood at your local WinnDixie and pig out like Kirstie Alley in the 90s.

Right.

Is it that government really cares about its tax slaves or do many in government just want to exercise their will and power? The latter I think, as there will always be plenty o' tax slaves to go around.

So really, what does this mean:

"less heart disease=
less government money spent on healthcare=
the possibility of lower taxes".

??

Equating this issue to the possibility of lower taxes? You've got to be kidding.

'These "substances" are just oils like corn oil, soya oil, etc.

Healthier than trans fats'.

Yes, the same substances that they took away originally and replaced with trans fats.

Global Cooling / Global Warming....bacon and eggs bad / bacon and eggs ok....

Seems like survival flavor of the month to me. And we don't need government getting involved and legislating to it!

Truth is: life kills.

So, try not to be too foolish while living it and you'll be as right as rain.

The sad fact is Heha is not kidding, he's dead serious. He obviously believes people should be forced to do what he and the other self appointed guardians of the current hot button issues deem necessary for our own good. I'm sorry Heha, but that's the only conclusion I can draw from your rambling comments. It's a shame because you have some points worth discussing but they get lost in your self righteous commentary. Why do you insist on conducting yourself this way?

Hmmnn... kinda like how you want to tell gay people how they can live their lives?

Actually, I don't tell gay people how to live their lives. Consenting adults can do whatever they want in private ... and if I'm not one of those consenting adults, it's none of my business.

Of course I'm not fing kidding.

We have saftey laws that require airbags.

We have laws that require fire detectors.

We have laws that require buildings- even private residences- to be strutually sound.

All of which are arguably more intrusive than this stupid trans fat talk, so why don't you go on about that for awhile.

why not just let them get rid of trans fats oils-we don't need them and there are other oils that are trans fat free and will make food taste better and maybe not cause a heart attack. Changing the oil is cheaper that a heart attack.

Amen to that!

Its amazing to me that the same people who want to tell gays who they can and can't marry are crying Fascism on a local restaurant ordinance.

For reason's sake, you say that we should just let people choose for themselves, put you want the government to choose who certain people can marry.

That's Fascism my friends.

The people have chosen HeHe. Barring Arizona, every other state has shot down gay marriage when a vote was given the people.

Oh really?

And "the people" didn't elect the New York City Council?

This isn't even about what's being done or how, its about what SHOULD be done.

You religious conservatives are saying that people should make their own decisions about cooking fats, but not about marriage.

How does that make any sense?

What does one have to do with the other? Stop trolling!

Are you serious?????

You're saying that the government should tell gay people who to marry, but shouldn't tell people what fats they can eat in restaurants.

You can't see the contridiction there?

If you want government out of our private lives- fine.

But you're trying to have it both ways here.

And I'd say government telling someone who to marry is much more of an intrusion on liberty than telling people what fats to cook with.

HeHe ...

I concede that people should know beforehand if their food contains trans fats and trans fats are unhealthy. However, if someone still decides to eat a bacon doublecheesburger knowing full well that it's unhealthy, THEN LET THEM.

And while I think a gay couple deserves the same rights and privileges a married straight couple has, I fail to see how it pertains to the issue at hand.

You are rambling.

"You're saying that the government should tell gay people who to marry, but shouldn't tell people what fats they can eat in restaurants.

You can't see the contridiction there?"

I haven't taken a stand on this blog either way regarding the issue of gay marriage, so how can I be contradicting anything? I actually believe the trans fat issue could have been a nice debate, but you completely sidetracked it with your trolling.

Yeah you're right government interferene in people's private lives is totally inrelated to the government banning tans fats.

Loose the argument. cry troll.

Interesting to see the junior league commissars getting all hot and bothered by the prospect of setting up another gulag system. No wonder the Soddom on the Hudson is such a bad joke. All the thinking people fled years ago. Now only the zombies and deviants are left.

It shows too.